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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #60 on: 14 September 2010, 10:24:23 »

very true bob! Theres a young guy at work who has an Essex accent and looks obviously of Indian/Pakistani descent. He was telling me that when he went to watch England play in one of the friendlies before the world cup he was getting a load of grief from other groups of Pakistanis because they thought he was a "bro" and then found out he was going to support England (as he says, thats because he was born in England 3rd generation so he is English). But these other lads were just like him he reckons in that they were probably UK born and 3rd generationtoo. Its not like hes not proud of his "ethnic" roots but he considers himself English. Like he says, that sort of attitude really p*sses him off as theres no need for it. OK, I can see that partly its that "gang" culture thats at play here but surely its also down to cultural indoctrination. And this form of racism clearly goes both ways, it isnt just the old "no dogs/no Irish/no blacks" anymore as our society becomes more "multicultural" :(
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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #61 on: 14 September 2010, 11:27:49 »

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religion should be banned, faith has nothing to do with religion, its backdoor politics.

Totally agreed, causes more problems and wars than anything else.
There are certain Islamic factions (I repeat......factions, before I get a torrent of abuse) in the Middle East that brainwash their kids from birth to hate the Western world.
...........they eventually turn into those pillars of society called terrorist! >:(

yes..yes.. yess..
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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #62 on: 14 September 2010, 18:41:05 »

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Zulu77, I'm just wondering what particular mindset you think I have, regarding my use of the word 'alleged' in relation to a prophet called mohammed and his teachings.

I use the word alleged for a number of reasons.

1. I am not a muslim.
2. I do not believe in Islam (or any religion - I believe religion is there for power, control, money and subjugation, but that's another issue).
3. 'Alleged', is a word used when discussing something unproven. How can we not use the word 'alleged' when talking about things as fancy as thus?

Even if you ask a muslim about the events when their prophet mohammed was allegedly spoken to by god, or a christian about their alleged events, or any other religion, we would be wrong in not using the word alleged, as when pressed they will all tell you that they have faith, not proof, or evidence to back it up, and these are believers! You could argue that they have their alleged religious books, which can be used as proof or evidence. I tend to think these are tall stories, no doubt I'll be told off for saying that, we've all got our own opinions!

Even alleged religious books, are only a collection of fact and fiction (decide the ratio for yourself), cobbled together and bastardised over the years, with nothing to back them up.

If you think I have the mindset of a free thinker, who makes informed decisions, who makes his own mind up, not unduely influenced by others, or far fetched fanciful stories designed to subjugate and control us, least of all from the most self serving of the Abrahamic religions, then you're right!



Thank you for taking the time to consider this response and explaining your line of thought Geoff.

I can now see that you seem to hold a particular opinion on the basic tenets of mainstream 'religion' that wasn't very clear from your initial piece.

Now that you've explained the thinking in your choice of the word 'alleged' I can begin to appreciate your position.

Your initial post now seems to be less of an outright diatribe about the unsavoury (or otherwise) inclinations of the followers of a particular religious discipline (Islam) and more about your concerns of how fervency in, and adherence to, a belief can encourage people to think and behave in a particular way.

You might again be surprised to learn that I agree with more of your opinion than perhaps you would immediately expect.

 


My initial post, by my own admission is a diatribe, if not an outright diatribe. If by diatribe you mean 'a bitter criticism or attack, denunciation'.

Of course I'm not tarring them all with the same brush, but as I stated earlier, where are the moderates to say 'this is not us and what we believe in'?

Your assumption that it was a diatribe (irrelevant that it actually was), is part of the problem in Britain, where silly people think we can all get along harmoniously, with no disagreements. (I'm not calling you silly, just speaking in general). Not that I would want to cause tension or disagreements for their own sake, but I think alot of people need to toughen up and understand you can't agree or get on with everyone, all of the time.

Certain opinions people hold about certain subjects can be deemed as offensive, so I think it would be unwise to offer these opinions as it would create conflict, but if asked their opinions I certainly don't think they should soften their approach, sanitize their views or hide in the shadows to say what they think. Modern day Britain is gradually losing its freedom of speech and expression, in fact I believe all liberties are under threat due to the ruling Liberal Elite's submission to Islam, which is wrong.

I'm all for allowing people to believe what they want to believe, I'd be contradicting myself to say otherwise. However, for someone like me who does not believe in any sort of religion, creation, or intelligent design, to respect any belief in religion, creation, or intelligent design, would be completely wrong.

I think it is more about respecting anothers right to believe what they want, not what they actually believe.

If you agree with more of my OP than you say I would immediately expect, then they say great minds think alike!  ;)
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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #63 on: 14 September 2010, 19:01:54 »

what do you make of this then?  is he now the voice of the islamic nation

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=related[/media]
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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #64 on: 14 September 2010, 19:52:35 »

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what do you make of this then?  is he now the voice of the islamic nation

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=related[/media]






Never liked him from day one! I believe he wears black lipstick for a start to help disguise the fact he has white genes, English ones at that! What a Cross that poor man has to bear ::)
OOh! :o just remembered, he's a Muslim, scrub the bit about Crosses :-[  OOh OOh!! just remembered he's American (well, Hawaiian) so best not mention 'English' :P
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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #65 on: 14 September 2010, 20:06:09 »

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My initial post, by my own admission is a diatribe, if not an outright diatribe. If by diatribe you mean 'a bitter criticism or attack, denunciation'.

Of course I'm not tarring them all with the same brush, but as I stated earlier, where are the moderates to say 'this is not us and what we believe in'?

Your assumption that it was a diatribe (irrelevant that it actually was), is part of the problem in Britain, where silly people think we can all get along harmoniously, with no disagreements. (I'm not calling you silly, just speaking in general). Not that I would want to cause tension or disagreements for their own sake, but I think alot of people need to toughen up and understand you can't agree or get on with everyone, all of the time.

Certain opinions people hold about certain subjects can be deemed as offensive, so I think it would be unwise to offer these opinions as it would create conflict, but if asked their opinions I certainly don't think they should soften their approach, sanitize their views or hide in the shadows to say what they think. Modern day Britain is gradually losing its freedom of speech and expression, in fact I believe all liberties are under threat due to the ruling Liberal Elite's submission to Islam, which is wrong.

I'm all for allowing people to believe what they want to believe, I'd be contradicting myself to say otherwise. However, for someone like me who does not believe in any sort of religion, creation, or intelligent design, to respect any belief in religion, creation, or intelligent design, would be completely wrong.

I think it is more about respecting anothers right to believe what they want, not what they actually believe.

If you agree with more of my OP than you say I would immediately expect, then they say great minds think alike!  ;)


Thank you Geoff.
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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #66 on: 14 September 2010, 20:26:40 »

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what do you make of this then?  is he now the voice of the islamic nation

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=related[/media]

thats a real comedy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

fact : he is choosen to be the one ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

seriously he is choosen (not selected)  for a special purpose.. to stop the rising anger of muslim nations.. to show that america respect them and also respect the black man..

but he is from harvard and belong to the white rich group.. and obviously has nothing to do with islam..
juts a political in front of the scene figure saying something related/starting with kouran and trying to play the role ;D ;D

and like previous presidents has nothing to do with the management of country.. just signs the papers  ;D
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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #67 on: 14 September 2010, 21:19:06 »

Muslim or no muslim, he's probably even more dangerous than Dubya ever was. I think he is weakening America by bolstering the terrorist and extremist element of Islam.

He seeks to appease them by self subjugation, but not just of himself, of the entire U.S.A. Anyway, he is a socialist so will lose the next election on that alone, never mind the fact he's upset the electorate with this insulting disgrace.
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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #68 on: 14 September 2010, 21:26:03 »

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Muslim or no muslim, he's probably even more dangerous than Dubya ever was. I think he is weakening America by bolstering the terrorist and extremist element of Islam.

He seeks to appease them by self subjugation, but not just of himself, of the entire U.S.A. Anyway, he is a socialist so will lose the next election on that alone, never mind the fact he's upset the electorate with this insulting disgrace.

imo that statement is a bit tall for him.. I'm not sure he is aware of socialism or other things.. ;D
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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #69 on: 14 September 2010, 21:30:09 »

I think he was elected for a bet.
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Re: International Burn-a-Koran Day!
« Reply #70 on: 14 September 2010, 22:28:17 »

Bring Dubya back!
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