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[Amigo]

Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please.

.. and there's the root of the problem.

Kevin

He's right, that is the root of the problem. for every one person who knows what he's doing and has a bit of common sense, there are 2 thick blanks who DO need educating

But think they know better.

[Kevin Wood]

Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please.

.. and there's the root of the problem.

Kevin

He's right, that is the root of the problem. for every one person who knows what he's doing and has a bit of common sense, there are 2 thick blanks who DO need educating

But think they know better.

The thing is - we don't need all this box ticking and jumping through hoops to deal with them. Darwin found a much better mechanism that has been working well for thousands of years.

Kevin

[Dishevelled Den]

The thing is - we don't need all this box ticking and jumping through hoops to deal with them. Darwin found a much better mechanism that has been working well for thousands of years.

Kevin

Quite so K and if the H&S Executive and other like bodies could lay their figuratively collective hands upon him, he would be beaten mercilessly for having the temerity to suggest such a thing in the first place.

[Sixstring]

Sorry...I just despair of it all. Soon, we will all be wearing straps on our hammers in case we slip and let go, and screwdrivers with wrist torque devices on them, and the whole population will be wearing filter masks "in case" we breathe in any particles from exhaust fumes............

"Hot work" permit for a soldering iron??

Give me strength. If I had to apply to every site I go to daily for a permit to use my soldering iron, I would spend 50% of my time waiting for a permit and not doing the work!!
Luckily, 99% of where I go doesn't need permits as in the open air...............phew!

[Phil]

Yes things move on progress etc. That DOES NOT mean patronizing retraining is needed every step of the way. Whether you build, wire, plumb houses, fix cars, produce steel, drive a truck, work a lathe, bake bread, type letters, nurse ill folk, anything, experience will be part of broadening your career. You are wrong & not needed. Not opinion, FACT. If you're such an expert did you know every HGV driver now has to sit so many hours a year on our own unpaid time on a saturday morning at our bosses expense being told what we've known for donkeys years which is part of an NVQ leading to a CPC. This is ongoing....like forever....& if i/we don't confirm our HGV licences will be invalid in sept 2014(yes those of you with dormant licences take note, you'll lose them) so have to be resat which by then will probably involve Uni & a degree & MDTM who'se an established engineer will still need your permission/approval to use a soldering iron...FFS! Who made you a flipping expert? If you had half the savvy you think you've got you'd have a REAL job yourself & not need to interfere with ours.
   YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT & MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.....GO AWAY.  Sorry for the rant but i live & work in the real world & have just about had enough of this self esteemed idocy. Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please.

Who is the 'you' that this rant is aimed at??

Oh & while we're at it at yesterdays ridiculous induction the bloke on the video who was SO concerned with our health & safety was'nt wearing any PPE but wandering all over the site. No boots, hardhat, goggles hi vis vest, gloves. & we're supposed to take him & others like him seriously?
   

And what exactly did YOU do about it? 

If you don't like what you see man up and say something, don't just ignore it, it works both ways!

[Amigo]

Yes things move on progress etc. That DOES NOT mean patronizing retraining is needed every step of the way. Whether you build, wire, plumb houses, fix cars, produce steel, drive a truck, work a lathe, bake bread, type letters, nurse ill folk, anything, experience will be part of broadening your career. You are wrong & not needed. Not opinion, FACT. If you're such an expert did you know every HGV driver now has to sit so many hours a year on our own unpaid time on a saturday morning at our bosses expense being told what we've known for donkeys years which is part of an NVQ leading to a CPC. This is ongoing....like forever....& if i/we don't confirm our HGV licences will be invalid in sept 2014(yes those of you with dormant licences take note, you'll lose them) so have to be resat which by then will probably involve Uni & a degree & MDTM who'se an established engineer will still need your permission/approval to use a soldering iron...FFS! Who made you a flipping expert? If you had half the savvy you think you've got you'd have a REAL job yourself & not need to interfere with ours.
   YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT & MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.....GO AWAY.  Sorry for the rant but i live & work in the real world & have just about had enough of this self esteemed idocy. Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please.

Who is the 'you' that this rant is aimed at??

Oh & while we're at it at yesterdays ridiculous induction the bloke on the video who was SO concerned with our health & safety was'nt wearing any PPE but wandering all over the site. No boots, hardhat, goggles hi vis vest, gloves. & we're supposed to take him & others like him seriously?
   

And what exactly did YOU do about it? 

If you don't like what you see man up and say something, don't just ignore it, it works both ways!

Like my opinion on his PPE would make a blind bit of difference. They have too high a sense of self importance to listen to a truck driver. Once again no one wants to see anyone hurt or worse in the workplace & any WORTHWHILE progression in safety is no bad thing but it many aspects are more of a hindrance than help, unnecessary not to mention down right annoying in the real world.
    The rant is directed at those who enforce such & those who are in favour of. Should this include your good self then i'm "manning up" as you so eloquently put it then yes including you in my rant directive (to be reviewed quarterly under section 5 sub paragraph....request dig my eyes out with a rusty screwdriver in frustration.
     Have a good day at work tomorrow, Guy.