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[Debs.]

Have a play with this interesting map-era comparison viewer.....it`s versatile and great fun.

I`ve arbitrarily set this link to the Chester area, but there`s a 'search' to quickly get you where you`re going.
The left pane shows modern OS mapping whilst the right pane can be configured (using drop-down menu boxes) to show 1930`s or 1940`s OS maps as well as other more modern mapping data.....all views can be zoomed and dragged 'on the fly'; the pane`s will follow each other`s view as you move one.

http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.19574390163258&lon=-2.886462106951787&gz=13&oz=7&gt=6

[zirk]

Thats an interesting find Debs, I like it, just checked my town, Waltham Abbey, years ago the Abbey was covered with acres of MOD rocket propellent and explosive research centres which were decommissioned shortly after the Cold War, on current maps the area is shown as Royal Gunpowder Mills and Gunpowder Park, on the old maps, as expected, its just shown as Marshes and Sewage Farms, but of course the Locals knew what there as most of them worked for the MOD.

Chris.

[Nickbat]

Excellent find, Debs! 

[Varche]

That is excellent, thanks.

I am a great fan of Google Earth. I have found quite a few former houses around here that have long since gone. If only metal detectors were legal in Spain. We have a Roman Road near us which now is nothing more than a dirt track - Oh the treasure just waiting to be found!

[pscocoa]

Good one - in my area it shows the footpaths over which I battled 25 years ago to claim rights of way in a run in with the MOD, Forestry Commission and Crown Estate - not the easiest of landowners to win cases against of course. But the paths were shown on the old OS and formed part of my evidence together with witness statements from users and a book dated 1950 showing the walks. They spent a lot of money on legal to defeat the cases but we did get what they call Permissive Use - which means you can walk on the paths but you have no legal right to do so - it is a concession from the landowner.

[jonnycool]

That is excellent, thanks.

I am a great fan of Google Earth. I have found quite a few former houses around here that have long since gone. If only metal detectors were legal in Spain. We have a Roman Road near us which now is nothing more than a dirt track - Oh the treasure just waiting to be found!

Eh? Why are they not?

[Entwood]

Now I know nothing about metal detecting .. but a good friend of mine is very keen, but got "sent home" in August under a rather dark cloud having been arrested ... we all asked about it .. and I have a few bits left on the computor .. apparently it's an odd situation .... the rules on "treasure" in spain make metal detecting almost illegal .. but there are "ways" ... apparently 

http://www.thespainforum.com/f271/metal-detecting-spain-259958

also

http://www.torrevieja.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&p=547753

from another source :

I found in "El Pais" one of the principal newspapers in Spain. That the cause for that law was because of some people stealing important archeological artifacts to sell them on the black market. Here is the translated article.

The Law of Patrimony will prohibit the metal detectors
The new norm anticipates an official body of inspectors
P.E. - Cadiz - 29/10/2007

The new Law of Historical Patrimony of Andalusia, that is anticipated to approve in the autonomic Parliament next the 14 of November, will harden the measures against the exporadores and those that damage the archaeological rest. The norm anticipates the creation of an official body of inspectors who guard by the security of the deposits and elevates the maximum fines of the 600,000 present euros until the million euros.

One of the measures more showy than will include this renewed legislation will be the express prohibition to use apparatuses to locate pieces of the past. The metal detectors will only be able to be used in zones determined, during a concrete period and with express authorization of the administration. The Meeting wants to thus end the traditional image of the metal finders raking the ground of Andalusia.

For the provincial archaeologists this measurement supposes a firm step ahead to protect the patrimony of the community. “It is a practice very extended and very dangerous because the custom exists to take of unpunished form elements that can be very valuable ", it explains Ana Troya.

The Civil Guard indicates that the carriers of these detectors are, mainly, retired or people without fixed work who dedicate themselves to look for in archaeological deposits, the beach or the field to rob pieces and to take them to houses or to sell them in the black market. “Not always they obtain great amounts of money but they cause a great damage because they eliminate the context of the deposits ", it details the archaeologist. The new law will harden the sanctions to the carriers of these apparatuses. “The one that remains with a currency is being with part of all we ", maintains to its companion Bulging Alfonso.

In the last three years the volume of information has been tripled that leave the Delegation of Culture on possible archaeological affections. Even so the destructions and expolios are continued producing. “We tried to arrive as rapidly as possible although there are times that are too much behind schedule ", it laments Ana Troy. The archaeologists of the Meeting have an anticipated car to this type of performances. A vehicle prepared for the sentries of the past gaditano.

HTH 

[Plomien]

I like this a lot, just sent to to my dad as I am sure he would have an interest as well

[Vamps]

Interesting site, though no 1930 OS map of our place, strange as there are maps much older available...
Looked on the 1940's OS map, interesting to compare the changes, though our 1930's house is not shown.........sad so and so, yes I know...

[Jimbob]

Bookmarked for a future play 

[Varche]

Now I know nothing about metal detecting .. but a good friend of mine is very keen, but got "sent home" in August under a rather dark cloud having been arrested ... we all asked about it .. and I have a few bits left on the computor .. apparently it's an odd situation .... the rules on "treasure" in spain make metal detecting almost illegal .. but there are "ways" ... apparently 

http://www.thespainforum.com/f271/metal-detecting-spain-259958

also

http://www.torrevieja.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&p=547753

from another source :

I found in "El Pais" one of the principal newspapers in Spain. That the cause for that law was because of some people stealing important archeological artifacts to sell them on the black market. Here is the translated article.

The Law of Patrimony will prohibit the metal detectors
The new norm anticipates an official body of inspectors
P.E. - Cadiz - 29/10/2007

The new Law of Historical Patrimony of Andalusia, that is anticipated to approve in the autonomic Parliament next the 14 of November, will harden the measures against the exporadores and those that damage the archaeological rest. The norm anticipates the creation of an official body of inspectors who guard by the security of the deposits and elevates the maximum fines of the 600,000 present euros until the million euros.

One of the measures more showy than will include this renewed legislation will be the express prohibition to use apparatuses to locate pieces of the past. The metal detectors will only be able to be used in zones determined, during a concrete period and with express authorization of the administration. The Meeting wants to thus end the traditional image of the metal finders raking the ground of Andalusia.

For the provincial archaeologists this measurement supposes a firm step ahead to protect the patrimony of the community. “It is a practice very extended and very dangerous because the custom exists to take of unpunished form elements that can be very valuable ", it explains Ana Troya.

The Civil Guard indicates that the carriers of these detectors are, mainly, retired or people without fixed work who dedicate themselves to look for in archaeological deposits, the beach or the field to rob pieces and to take them to houses or to sell them in the black market. “Not always they obtain great amounts of money but they cause a great damage because they eliminate the context of the deposits ", it details the archaeologist. The new law will harden the sanctions to the carriers of these apparatuses. “The one that remains with a currency is being with part of all we ", maintains to its companion Bulging Alfonso.

In the last three years the volume of information has been tripled that leave the Delegation of Culture on possible archaeological affections. Even so the destructions and expolios are continued producing. “We tried to arrive as rapidly as possible although there are times that are too much behind schedule ", it laments Ana Troy. The archaeologists of the Meeting have an anticipated car to this type of performances. A vehicle prepared for the sentries of the past gaditano.

HTH 

Thanks for this. I haven't got a metal detector or ever done any but I just know that there must be tons of treasure here like there is in Britain as the Romans were all over Iberia. Likewise I can understand the official line as Spain isn't very well advanced in "developing" its historical sites. Only a mile from our house there is a copper age (4000 year ago) dolmen site with 9 (so far) chambers. It was fenced recently but is still free and open to go around. A neighbour showed me a perfect stone tool he found which I suspect was a ceremonial one. As I expressed an interest he gave me a carrier bag full of similar everyday fragmented tools he has collected over the last 30 years.

It would be no use asking the Guardia Civil. Mostly they turn a blind eye if people keep their heads down but jump on you if you are flagrant. Even though all land here (unless fenced) you are allowed to walk on - metal detecting, unless it has moved on, is a highly visible activity. there is always someone around in the countryside here!

As far as maps are concerned there are quite good detailed maps available here but most folk don't know of their existence. They are based on old army maps. That is where I found out about the old Roman Road. No one in our local bar knew about it and were fascinated to actually see a map.