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[cleggy]

"However, in a letter written to the government before it chose its preferred bidder, Bombardier had said that even if it had won the Thameslink work, it would still have had to lay off 1,200 workers in Derby as it adjusted to finishing other major contracts."

Source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-14019992

I think that Laying Off refers to contactors who would be re-employed when the Thameslink contract ramped up.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Reliability is not a build issue.....its a design issue, you design reliability in....

So clearly its design issues.

It has to be said though that the thames link specs were a little 'weird' so I suspect Bombardier would not have met the technical needs.

[trainmanone]

 Siemens...... hand in hand with first group!!!! Thames link again i believe is a first group company.
class 185 dmu(i drive them) built and maintained by  Siemens on behalf of First transpennine, i smell a rat dont you???

[Marks DTM Calib]

Now what you really want is a nice two car 108 set with (a DMCL + DMBS)....interestingly, they were built are Derby (1959)

[trainmanone]

loved the blue squares ,sad day when all taken out of service 2000(101`s)

[Marks DTM Calib]

loved the blue squares ,sad day when all taken out of service 2000(101`s)

You can have a play with mine once I have finished the body work.... a 108 though....

[trainmanone]

that would be great, will dig out my fg key lol

[Amigo]

I've heard this today & once again UK's industry takes yet another hit. I don't have the knowledge of rolling stock that some of you do but this seems to be yet another example of our failing manufacture/export industry. In my job i see manufacturing firms go down when i meet a packing crew to export the now redundant machinery to South Africa only to see more & more industrial estates levelled & re emerging as yet another Retail park. Sickening.
    How did it get like this in the first place? Where did we go wrong?

[r1]

    How did it get like this in the first place? Where did we go wrong? [/quote]

we stopped makeing things,we lost the skills,we import everything,we to busy getting into every body elses proplems,we are to soft on letting anybody in,we to soft on kicking people out,we dont invest in young people,we joined the e u etc etc

[Vamps]

    How did it get like this in the first place? Where did we go wrong?

we stopped makeing things,we lost the skills,we import everything,we to busy getting into every body elses proplems,we are to soft on letting anybody in,we to soft on kicking people out,we dont invest in young people,we joined the e u etc etc[/quote]

Simplified, but sounds about right to me, missing is the kick up the ar** to get young people into the few jobs there are....

I, indirectly, could find work for many young men, albeit part time, but could build up the hours to just about full time, experience can be developed in work, just need to be caring, crime / drug / serious alcohol / criminal record free, and a willingness to be flexible.......dream jobs for University students. Where are they, pay rates over minimum.....

I am talking about jobs that pay you to go and play.....

[Kevin Wood]

Simplified, but sounds about right to me, missing is the kick up the ar** to get young people into the few jobs there are....

I, indirectly, could find work for many young men, albeit part time, but could build up the hours to just about full time, experience can be developed in work, just need to be caring, crime / drug / serious alcohol / criminal record free, and a willingness to be flexible.......dream jobs for University students. Where are they, pay rates over minimum.....

I am talking about jobs that pay you to go and play.....

 :-?