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Kevin Wood

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Re: Very poorly 3.2 Elite.... Help!!!!
« Reply #15 on: 28 June 2010, 16:20:02 »

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I think its had an oil cooler replaced. Has it lost any water since we spoke James?

I haven't dare use the car since we last spoke Pete.

And if it has I would check the oil cooler cover and coolant bridge for leaks

Ok, I'm happy to have a go. How do I do this?

For now, I would say top up the header tank, run it and see if there's evidence of a leak from underneath. To properly inspect the oil cooler cover you are going to have to remove the plenum and manifold and you don't want to do that if there's a chance you'll be bouncing it back to the dealer - IMHO.

As Mark said, it's possible that work was done before sale, it was hurriedly filled without being properly burped and the level has just settled.

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Re: Very poorly 3.2 Elite.... Help!!!!
« Reply #16 on: 28 June 2010, 16:36:09 »

Hang on a second chaps !

If the garage has offered to replace the HG, thinking, rightly or wrongly that the HG is at fault, then they are taking responsibility. IF therefore they replace the HG at their expence and its found to be something else then surely they will have to replace that also.

The buyer has found a fault, the garage is admitting liability, let them sort it. Granted also you'll be without it for a day or two, but to me seems like a good solution.

Granted also that the 200 mile trip is a pain in the ass, but least the poster will have some fairly big jobs out of the way at no cost to him.
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Re: Very poorly 3.2 Elite.... Help!!!!
« Reply #17 on: 28 June 2010, 16:53:29 »

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Hang on a second chaps !

If the garage has offered to replace the HG, thinking, rightly or wrongly that the HG is at fault, then they are taking responsibility. IF therefore they replace the HG at their expence and its found to be something else then surely they will have to replace that also.

The buyer has found a fault, the garage is admitting liability, let them sort it. Granted also you'll be without it for a day or two, but to me seems like a good solution.

Granted also that the 200 mile trip is a pain in the ass, but least the poster will have some fairly big jobs out of the way at no cost to him.

I think the problem here is "how does he do 200 miles" with a suspect head gasket, and NOT give the garage an excuse to "blame" him ???

I would want written instructions from the garage, and full acceptance of liability before undertaking such a journey.
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Re: Very poorly 3.2 Elite.... Help!!!!
« Reply #18 on: 28 June 2010, 17:26:08 »

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Hang on a second chaps !

If the garage has offered to replace the HG, thinking, rightly or wrongly that the HG is at fault, then they are taking responsibility. IF therefore they replace the HG at their expence and its found to be something else then surely they will have to replace that also.

The buyer has found a fault, the garage is admitting liability, let them sort it. Granted also you'll be without it for a day or two, but to me seems like a good solution.

Granted also that the 200 mile trip is a pain in the ass, but least the poster will have some fairly big jobs out of the way at no cost to him.

I think the problem here is "how does he do 200 miles" with a suspect head gasket, and NOT give the garage an excuse to "blame" him ???

I would want written instructions from the garage, and full acceptance of liability before undertaking such a journey.

Yep, and, in addition, it's more than likely not the head gasket so you'll end up with a head gasket fitted by a garage of unknown provenance rather than the one fitted on the production line where they get it right every time.

However, if it were mine I would not close the door on the option of the garage sorting it or taking it back, hence don't start pulling it apart.

Phone the garage, tell them you'd like to top it up with coolant and see if it's a one-off airlock that's now sorted rather than make a 400 mile trip needlessly. If they agree, run it up to temperature, check for obvious leaks, take it for a drive with some water in the boot just in case, check for leaks, etc....

OR, if you're not confident in your abilities, phone the garage and ask if they'll pay for a local (to you) garage to double-check it before you make the journey rather than risk a wasted journey or further damage.

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Re: Very poorly 3.2 Elite.... Help!!!!
« Reply #19 on: 28 June 2010, 19:52:31 »

Progress!!.....

The garage has agreed to me taking the car to local mechanic that I trust, to diagnose the fault.  We have agreed that as long as I keep them informed of progress, they will cover the costs of the repairs.

There is going to have to be an element of trust from both sides for this to work out, but I feel pretty confident that all will be well in the end.

Now, while I'm having it stripped down, is there anything I should be getting replaced? As I said, I have a receipt for a cambelt and tensioner change 13k ago, but no mention of the water pump. I'm guessing a full service would make sense? Anything else?

Thankyou all very much for your input, and I'll keep you posted on the repair
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Re: Very poorly 3.2 Elite.... Help!!!!
« Reply #20 on: 28 June 2010, 21:13:10 »

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Progress!!.....

The garage has agreed to me taking the car to local mechanic that I trust, to diagnose the fault.  We have agreed that as long as I keep them informed of progress, they will cover the costs of the repairs.

There is going to have to be an element of trust from both sides for this to work out, but I feel pretty confident that all will be well in the end.

Now, while I'm having it stripped down, is there anything I should be getting replaced? As I said, I have a receipt for a cambelt and tensioner change 13k ago, but no mention of the water pump. I'm guessing a full service would make sense? Anything else?

Thankyou all very much for your input, and I'll keep you posted on the repair

Well done Twig...seems like you may have a partial result. If your elected mechanic does end up taking things apart, for what it's worth, try getting some digital photos of what you / he finds for evidence.  :y
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Re: Very poorly 3.2 Elite.... Help!!!!
« Reply #21 on: 28 June 2010, 21:43:44 »

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Progress!!.....

The garage has agreed to me taking the car to local mechanic that I trust, to diagnose the fault.  We have agreed that as long as I keep them informed of progress, they will cover the costs of the repairs.

There is going to have to be an element of trust from both sides for this to work out, but I feel pretty confident that all will be well in the end.

Now, while I'm having it stripped down, is there anything I should be getting replaced? As I said, I have a receipt for a cambelt and tensioner change 13k ago, but no mention of the water pump. I'm guessing a full service would make sense? Anything else?

Thankyou all very much for your input, and I'll keep you posted on the repair

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The garage has agreed to me taking the car to local mechanic that I trust, to diagnose the fault.  We have agreed that as long as I keep them informed of progress, they will cover the costs of the repairs.

There is going to have to be an element of trust from both sides for this to work out, but I feel pretty confident that all will be well in the end.


It's nice to know that some progress has been made Twig and it just goes to show what can be achieved through sensible dialogue - HOWEVER -  as you rightly say, in the absence of written permission from the vendor directing you to take this action, you embark on trust alone.

You may be happy enough to do this and I understand that such negotiations can be delicate enough to be upset by your insisting for written direction, but I would be inclined to suggest that in the course of the investigation carried out by your mechanic you keep a known person at the garage, from where you purchased the vehicle, fully informed of the progress - especially where money is being spent.

It would also be sensible to talk to the same person on each occasion so there is no possibility of people talking at crossed purposes - and - as always, keep an accurate record of your conversations and ensure you know just how they intend to reimburse either you, or your mechanic, for the work done.

Hope things work out to your advantage. :y





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