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Taxi_Driver

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Re: Gas fire problem
« Reply #15 on: 25 September 2011, 19:10:17 »

Something like this Opti.....

http://www.gasequipmentdirect.co.uk/Store/Product/MB2C-12-TP.aspx

Seems to be a good price too......looking at the reviews on it... :-\
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« Reply #16 on: 25 September 2011, 19:18:19 »

PS. Your current regulator looks as old as my 30yo central heating boiler, which got condemned this week  ;D (Still works but got a leaking heat exchanger which is an obsolete part)
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Re: Gas fire problem
« Reply #17 on: 25 September 2011, 19:25:39 »

PS. Your current regulator looks as old as my 30yo central heating boiler, which got condemned this week  ;D (Still works but got a leaking heat exchanger which is an obsolete part)

Thanks for the link Taxi Driver. It is much appreciated. It looks like it is a simple DIY job, too. We have lived at our present address for 7 years and it has not been changed in that time, so our regulator may well be as old as the hills. :y
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« Reply #18 on: 25 September 2011, 19:42:33 »

PS. Your current regulator looks as old as my 30yo central heating boiler, which got condemned this week  ;D (Still works but got a leaking heat exchanger which is an obsolete part)

Thanks for the link Taxi Driver. It is much appreciated. It looks like it is a simple DIY job, too. We have lived at our present address for 7 years and it has not been changed in that time, so our regulator may well be as old as the hills. :y

As long as you have some basic knowledge of gas fitting  :y

Mind you, current regulations probably say you have to have it installed by a 'gas safe' fitter  :-\
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Re: Gas fire problem
« Reply #19 on: 26 September 2011, 15:05:34 »

Just stumbled across this for sale at Calor Gas here - looks more or less identical:



And yes, it is illegal for you to fit it yourself unless you are Gas Safe registered  :-X
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« Reply #20 on: 26 September 2011, 15:17:34 »

http://www.miketheboilerman.com/diy.htm

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The regulations draw a distinction between doing gas work for nothing and doing it in return for payment (of any kind - not just money). If you are receiving payment you MUST be Gas Safe Registered, or the penalty can be a prison sentence. If you are NOT being rewarded in any way (e.g. DIY for yourself) then you need only be what the regulation describes as 'competent'.
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Re: Gas fire problem
« Reply #21 on: 26 September 2011, 16:02:30 »

I kind of agree with you aaronjb, but if a DIYer's house blew up I think you'd find the powers that be would define "competent" as meaning Gas Safe registered. 

I've been doing plumbing for friends and family for over 20 years, including installation of gas appliances.  I take care, educate myself and do a better job than many so-called professionals.  When the Corgi mullarkey came in, I started to do everything except the final connection, then get a certified friend (plenty of my friends are  ;) ) to check everything over and solder the final joint for beer money. 

Yes, the job could hardly be simpler and if it were my home I would just get on and do it gladly pay an "expert" an extortionate fee for ten minutes work.  ::)
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Re: Gas fire problem
« Reply #22 on: 26 September 2011, 16:30:27 »

I kind of agree with you aaronjb, but if a DIYer's house blew up I think you'd find the powers that be would define "competent" as meaning Gas Safe registered. 

I've been doing plumbing for friends and family for over 20 years, including installation of gas appliances.  I take care, educate myself and do a better job than many so-called professionals.  When the Corgi mullarkey came in, I started to do everything except the final connection, then get a certified friend (plenty of my friends are  ;) ) to check everything over and solder the final joint for beer money. 

Yes, the job could hardly be simpler and if it were my home I would just get on and do it gladly pay an "expert" an extortionate fee for ten minutes work.  ::)

Thats where you would need to be able to demonstrate compitency and that could be presentation of a basic test result (e.g. a leak down test).

Also given the regs, they would be hard pushed to do anything as the word  'compitent' is very open ended (and sadly seems not to apply to many of those gas safe registered from my experience!).

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Re: Gas fire problem
« Reply #23 on: 26 September 2011, 17:06:46 »

if i lived nearer opti id do it for you,im an acop registered lpg fitter
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« Reply #24 on: 26 September 2011, 17:41:13 »

I kind of agree with you aaronjb, but if a DIYer's house blew up I think you'd find the powers that be would define "competent" as meaning Gas Safe registered. 

I've been doing plumbing for friends and family for over 20 years, including installation of gas appliances.  I take care, educate myself and do a better job than many so-called professionals.  When the Corgi mullarkey came in, I started to do everything except the final connection, then get a certified friend (plenty of my friends are  ;) ) to check everything over and solder the final joint for beer money. 

Yes, the job could hardly be simpler and if it were my home I would just get on and do it gladly pay an "expert" an extortionate fee for ten minutes work.  ::)

Thats where you would need to be able to demonstrate compitency and that could be presentation of a basic test result (e.g. a leak down test).

Also given the regs, they would be hard pushed to do anything as the word  'compitent' is very open ended (and sadly seems not to apply to many of those gas safe registered from my experience!).

Is that where you turn the gas back on and then check all the joints you've made with a ciggie lighter  ::) ;D
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Re: Gas fire problem
« Reply #25 on: 05 October 2011, 17:46:26 »

I've just fitted my new regulator, but still have exactly the same problem. The gas fire just shuts down (clicks off) for no apparent reason.

I've noticed that the pilot flame is pretty small. I'm wondering if the fire detects (wrongly) that the pilot light has gone out, and consequently shuts the gas off.

Any ideas chaps?  :y :y



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Re: Gas fire problem
« Reply #26 on: 05 October 2011, 17:50:12 »

That looks like a thermocouple just touching the pilot light flame. Its' job is to hold the gas valve open unless the pilot flame goes out in which case the valve springs shut.

My guess is that either the thermocouple or the calve it connects to is defective.

Shame you've replaced the regulator for nothing. >:(
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Re: Gas fire problem
« Reply #27 on: 05 October 2011, 18:42:52 »

My guess is that either the thermocouple or the calve it connects to is defective.
I would agree, flame failure device faulty, although just a guess.
Maybe better getting it serviced and flu checked as well?
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Re: Gas fire problem
« Reply #28 on: 05 October 2011, 18:59:11 »

That looks like a thermocouple just touching the pilot light flame. Its' job is to hold the gas valve open unless the pilot flame goes out in which case the valve springs shut.

My guess is that either the thermocouple or the calve it connects to is defective.

Shame you've replaced the regulator for nothing. >:(


The original regulator was older than Moses, so replaced (£33) as a precaution. Is this thermocouple Johnnie easy and inexpensive to replace?
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