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[Elite_L0ver]

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Although I do know someone who fitted Lemforder wishbones about a year ago, which are now in need of changing.
Personally I would not fit Lemforder to my own car either.

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I buy cheap ones from ebay 50£ pair and they ok for 40K miles or more

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I just brought a pair off eBay for my mot started to fit them myself UNTIL my dad lost the bolt down the subframe but now done ( after 178 quid bill including new tyre mot and wishbone change) but am very happy with them on my 2.5 v6 elite

[andyc]

Just checked my stock of both front and rear bushs and both are made by Boge

Cheers
Andy

[TheBoy]

@chrisgixer - reading your post, I was thinking exactly what MDTM has said - we need to inform members that quality ones (Lemforder, GM etc) will last longer and cost more, cheaper ones may not last as long but are cheaper.  Then its down to choice.

As Kevin Wood says, some items we definately can say use ABC, avoid XYZ - cam cover gaskets being an obvious one - but not so sure its that clear cut on wishbones.

Maybe, those people who seem to put themselves out to do other people's wishbones could consider collecting old, knackered but good quality wishbones, and check them over, pressing in rear bushes, and polying front. Changing balljoint if necessary.  Not sure how the logistics would work, as I certainly wouldn't want to see those that do put themselves out suffer financial losses etc, or being liable for early failure on it.  Dunno, thinking aloud.


Given my own experiences, I reckon as the car ages, the bushes fail quicker.  Absolutely no idea why. Maybe thats worth determining?

[JamesV6CDX]

the cheapo wishbones where exceptionally difficult to get low enough to locate the ball joint in the Knuckle.

Yes!!!!!!

Wholeheartedly agree.

[feeutfo]

The correct answer has to be to offer accurate advice e.g.

Lemforders, greater cost but potentialy better quality.

Cheapo's, lower cost but potentialy a slightly greater risk of early failure.

This is a clear case of where its upto the op to decide as there is no clear guaranteed benefits with the greater cost.

Sad fact is though, we still need to advise that the front bushes are polyed on both!

Can't disagree with any of that at all.

Luckily fitting polly is the easiest of the refirb jobs, and very worthwhile. Provided the remaining wishbone parts are still intact

There's something about the bolt on ball joints I don't trust. Not sure my mistrust is justified though tbh.  A nyloc bolt over a large rivet...? Hmmm.


Anyway. Delighted with my pollys.

[JamesV6CDX]

The correct answer has to be to offer accurate advice e.g.

Lemforders, greater cost but potentialy better quality.

Cheapo's, lower cost but potentialy a slightly greater risk of early failure.

This is a clear case of where its upto the op to decide as there is no clear guaranteed benefits with the greater cost.

Sad fact is though, we still need to advise that the front bushes are polyed on both!

Can't disagree with any of that at all.

Luckily fitting polly is the easiest of the refirb jobs, and very worthwhile. Provided the remaining wishbone parts are still intact

There's something about the bolt on ball joints I don't trust. Not sure my mistrust is justified though tbh.  A nyloc bolt over a large rivet...? Hmmm.


Anyway. Delighted with my pollys.

I suppose there are three bolts though mate... I'd have thought that would be pretty safe, if nylocked?

Perhaps there's an extra strong kind of bolt that could be used? 

[feeutfo]

the cheapo wishbones where exceptionally difficult to get low enough to locate the ball joint in the Knuckle.

Yes!!!!!!

Wholeheartedly agree.

They're a right tinker aren't they. Deeper upright sections on the outer edge off the metal arm? Or restrictive bushes? I was too busy battling to measure up tbh. Poxy things.

[JamesV6CDX]

the cheapo wishbones where exceptionally difficult to get low enough to locate the ball joint in the Knuckle.

Yes!!!!!!

Wholeheartedly agree.

They're a right tinker aren't they. Deeper upright sections on the outer edge off the metal arm? Or restrictive bushes? I was too busy battling to measure up tbh. Poxy things.

I ended up playing dirty and raising the strut a little 

The whole job was a peice of cake, aside of  lowering the wishbone to get the balljoint connected up!!

[VXL V6]

The correct answer has to be to offer accurate advice e.g.

Lemforders, greater cost but potentialy better quality.

Cheapo's, lower cost but potentialy a slightly greater risk of early failure.

This is a clear case of where its upto the op to decide as there is no clear guaranteed benefits with the greater cost.

Sad fact is though, we still need to advise that the front bushes are polyed on both!

Can't disagree with any of that at all.

Luckily fitting polly is the easiest of the refirb jobs, and very worthwhile. Provided the remaining wishbone parts are still intact

There's something about the bolt on ball joints I don't trust. Not sure my mistrust is justified though tbh.  A nyloc bolt over a large rivet...? Hmmm.


Anyway. Delighted with my pollys.

I suppose there are three bolts though mate... I'd have thought that would be pretty safe, if nylocked?

Perhaps there's an extra strong kind of bolt that could be used? 

If you are refurbishing genuine wishbones which haven't been replaced at a dealership in the last few years (the last original ones fitted to cars would be a 2003 vintage at best) then I think you'd want to replace the rear bush and the ball joint... at which point... is it worth refurbishing them???

[feeutfo]

The correct answer has to be to offer accurate advice e.g.

Lemforders, greater cost but potentialy better quality.

Cheapo's, lower cost but potentialy a slightly greater risk of early failure.

This is a clear case of where its upto the op to decide as there is no clear guaranteed benefits with the greater cost.

Sad fact is though, we still need to advise that the front bushes are polyed on both!

Can't disagree with any of that at all.

Luckily fitting polly is the easiest of the refirb jobs, and very worthwhile. Provided the remaining wishbone parts are still intact

There's something about the bolt on ball joints I don't trust. Not sure my mistrust is justified though tbh.  A nyloc bolt over a large rivet...? Hmmm.


Anyway. Delighted with my pollys.

I suppose there are three bolts though mate... I'd have thought that would be pretty safe, if nylocked?

Perhaps there's an extra strong kind of bolt that could be used? 

If you are refurbishing genuine wishbones which haven't been replaced at a dealership in the last few years (the last original ones fitted to cars would be a 2003 vintage at best) then I think you'd want to replace the rear bush and the ball joint... at which point... is it worth refurbishing them???

No.

[Kevin Wood]

The correct answer has to be to offer accurate advice e.g.

Lemforders, greater cost but potentialy better quality.

Cheapo's, lower cost but potentialy a slightly greater risk of early failure.

This is a clear case of where its upto the op to decide as there is no clear guaranteed benefits with the greater cost.

Sad fact is though, we still need to advise that the front bushes are polyed on both!

Can't disagree with any of that at all.

Luckily fitting polly is the easiest of the refirb jobs, and very worthwhile. Provided the remaining wishbone parts are still intact

There's something about the bolt on ball joints I don't trust. Not sure my mistrust is justified though tbh.  A nyloc bolt over a large rivet...? Hmmm.


Anyway. Delighted with my pollys.

I suppose there are three bolts though mate... I'd have thought that would be pretty safe, if nylocked?

Perhaps there's an extra strong kind of bolt that could be used? 

If you are refurbishing genuine wishbones which haven't been replaced at a dealership in the last few years (the last original ones fitted to cars would be a 2003 vintage at best) then I think you'd want to replace the rear bush and the ball joint... at which point... is it worth refurbishing them???

No.

I'd say it depends if you're trying to avoid a suspension setup.

.. and plenty of cars have ball joints bolted to the wishbones without trouble.

[Marks DTM Calib]

@chrisgixer - reading your post, I was thinking exactly what MDTM has said - we need to inform members that quality ones (Lemforder, GM etc) will last longer and cost more, cheaper ones may not last as long but are cheaper.  Then its down to choice.

As Kevin Wood says, some items we definately can say use ABC, avoid XYZ - cam cover gaskets being an obvious one - but not so sure its that clear cut on wishbones.

Maybe, those people who seem to put themselves out to do other people's wishbones could consider collecting old, knackered but good quality wishbones, and check them over, pressing in rear bushes, and polying front. Changing balljoint if necessary.  Not sure how the logistics would work, as I certainly wouldn't want to see those that do put themselves out suffer financial losses etc, or being liable for early failure on it.  Dunno, thinking aloud.


Given my own experiences, I reckon as the car ages, the bushes fail quicker.  Absolutely no idea why. Maybe thats worth determining?

Thats the big sticking point as evidence shows that its a reasonable inference that they dont.....

[Jimbob]

Yup, I had an advisory on duff lemforders after a year!  10k tops!
Brand new Allgerman stock.
Now polly'ed