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[davlad22]

30mph zones are that for a reason. cos if some child was to walk or run out infront of you they are more likely to survive with a few broken bones then if you are doing 35 where you could kill them. cars are dangerous!

How many times have we all seen that advert and the only thing I keep thinking is if somebody were to hit a pedestrian at 30-40mph, they would have to be driving like a complete loon with their eyes shut....

I'd hope that even with the most basic driver training, motorist are taught to look and scan the road repeatedly and react accordingly to hazards... Therefore BRAKING down from 30mph. To plough straight into somebody at 30-40mph, that 'somebody' deserves to lose their licence. If the unfortunate did happen, in most circumstances i'd be surprised if the closing speed was more than 20mph  :-? Make sense?

[edwardmickey]

Never admit to speeding never take the points never pay the fine. In your case picture would of been taken from back of your car, if you have no major scratches distinguishing marks or anything like that on your car then couple of things you have to do, change the colour of the nuts that hold your number plate on the car even buy another number plate from fancyplates.com in say honeycomb or 3d effect which is legal, more extreme you can even put a mark on your car a scratch on bumper nothing to drastic mind, but most of all get a couple of people to say they where with you at the time of the alleged offence and simply say your car must of been cloned. Sounds far fetched but trust me it works as the evidence is on your side. Dont give in i have 0 points on my licsence and drove a subaru for a couple of years so as you can imagine got pulled and stopped every other day!!!

Perverting the course of justice!  28 days in prison for first offence!

Ignore this tripe

[edwardmickey]

There is a time and a place for everything just use common sense if your driving in a built up area slow down the last thing you want is a child on your dash board, also if your on a motorway at 3am and there is no one else on it i havnt a problem with anyone driving as fast as they want as your only gonna kill yourself if you get wrong, the chance you take. Me personally, i like to get my demons out of me racing round Oulton park makes you drive like a nun on the road after you been round. Sayin that if the motorway is quiet how many can honestly say they dont just give it a little more than normal

This is tripe too!  Which member of your family do you want me to wake up at 4am and tell that you're dead?

Motorway crossovers come to mind - perhaps into the path of a family on the way to the airport.  All because you 'fancied a bit of right foot.'

I'm one of the people who has to clear up your selfish mess.  I'm one of the people who has to hear your pathetic whinges, excuses or pleads for lenency when you're babbling in the back of my car.

You need to attend a speed awareness course URGENTLY.  Contact me, I'll even pay the £78 course fee out of my pocket!!!

[f13platform]

i do 30 in 30 zone
35 in 40 zone (left lane)
20 in 20 zone
nt b'use of low .   (logic)
and i always see the other driver hate me
and get so angry ...

my dad tech me to drive at age 12 and let me drive
but he teached me to never go over speed  limit.
 
 we go to race track to drive fast b'use we love speed so much
in race track not in town.
i dont feel safe on the road.
 

[Debs.]

I am proud of my safe and 'clean' driving history and intend to keep it that way!
I learned advanced Roadcraft with the IAM and use and practice those skills every time I drive the car....but I never lose sight of the extant-danger (to myself and others) that driving on our roads poses.
I drive defensively and will happily drive well-under the posted speed limit when road/weather conditions dictate.

Speed, inexperience and bravado are a heady mix......but it shouldn`t have to take an accident to occur before habitual reckless-drivers/speeders come to their senses.
Surely, non of us wish to be responsible for the suffering or death of another just for a cheap speed-thrill

Nuff said....

[albitz]

i firmly believe that educating people to be good drivers is the real answer.the current tactic of x-mph=safe/responsible (regardless of prevailing conditions) but x +1 =wrong/irresponsible/murderous wont work.people dont like being nannied and patronised but most people like to be educated and taught in an adult environment.

[Albatross]

30mph zones are that for a reason. cos if some child was to walk or run out infront of you they are more likely to survive with a few broken bones then if you are doing 35 where you could kill them. cars are dangerous!

How many times have we all seen that advert and the only thing I keep thinking is if somebody were to hit a pedestrian at 30-40mph, they would have to be driving like a complete loon with their eyes shut....

I'd hope that even with the most basic driver training, motorist are taught to look and scan the road repeatedly and react accordingly to hazards... Therefore BRAKING down from 30mph. To plough straight into somebody at 30-40mph, that 'somebody' deserves to lose their licence. If the unfortunate did happen, in most circumstances i'd be surprised if the closing speed was more than 20mph  :-? Make sense?

Emphatically NOPE!!!

You're assuming that a child will be taller than the parked cars on the side of the road and won't run out in front of you

NEVER, EVER rely on the sense of those around you.

I rode a bike for a number of years; there is no way better to learn this extremely valuable lesson.

Have been refraining from commenting but, Gaffers speaks sense....

Apart from the radio bit?  Whats that about??  

If you remember the first kill your speed campain, I did one of radio commercials.

Have a look here for a flash back Gaffers junior is in the bowtie at the begining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPnjeVHYQBM

 

That voiceover is John Hannah from 4 Weddings isn't it?

Great voice

Oh and prestigesec, I really can't describe how I want to respond to your posts, much of it has been said far better (and more controlled) than I could say.

[Andy B]

While we're talking about not exeeding the limit, why don't people actually travel at something like the limit when it's perfectly legal & safe to do so? I travel to work on a B road that changes from 30 to 60 then 40 then back to 30. The number of people  that just bimble along at 35 regardless of what the limit is really p's me off. In my diseasal Astra I can't just pass like I can in the Omega.
These are the people who are often sat at the front of a very long queue of cars on fast A. It just frustrates people behind who will then make some dodge overtake to get passed them - or even go a little faster than the imposed limit.


Speed doen't always kill ...... clicky  

[Gaffers]

30mph zones are that for a reason. cos if some child was to walk or run out infront of you they are more likely to survive with a few broken bones then if you are doing 35 where you could kill them. cars are dangerous!

How many times have we all seen that advert and the only thing I keep thinking is if somebody were to hit a pedestrian at 30-40mph, they would have to be driving like a complete loon with their eyes shut....

I'd hope that even with the most basic driver training, motorist are taught to look and scan the road repeatedly and react accordingly to hazards... Therefore BRAKING down from 30mph. To plough straight into somebody at 30-40mph, that 'somebody' deserves to lose their licence. If the unfortunate did happen, in most circumstances i'd be surprised if the closing speed was more than 20mph  :-? Make sense?

Emphatically NOPE!!!

You're assuming that a child will be taller than the parked cars on the side of the road and won't run out in front of you

NEVER, EVER rely on the sense of those around you.

I rode a bike for a number of years; there is no way better to learn this extremely valuable lesson.

Have been refraining from commenting but, Gaffers speaks sense....

Apart from the radio bit?  Whats that about??  

If you remember the first kill your speed campain, I did one of radio commercials.

Have a look here for a flash back Gaffers junior is in the bowtie at the begining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPnjeVHYQBM

 

That voiceover is John Hannah from 4 Weddings isn't it?

Great voice

Oh and prestigesec, I really can't describe how I want to respond to your posts, much of it has been said far better (and more controlled) than I could say.

He did nail it in that reading in the film I must admit.

Personally I havent seen that advert for a long time because my mum has the only copy on VHS    quite rightly she guards over it like a hawk

Does anyone have or know of anyway of converting it to DVD so that I can keep a more secure copy.  The VHS and the youtube posting are the only ones I know of.

And prestigsec I can kind of see where you are coming from, maybe you havent expressed yourself as you may have wished.  You do seem to make a lot of assumptions about one specific driving situation.  But lets not forget you never know what is coming and those like debs who do some advanced driving lessons realise that regardless of your level you are always learning.  My bro was killed when he was cycyling his bike through the village, perfect driving conditions which enticed a youth to race his mate to a party.  Estimates are that he was doing 80mph in a village where the limit was 60 (later reduced to 30 through some heavy campaigning)  As he was racing and thus preventing his mate from overtaking he wasnt paying attention to the road infront.  There were no parked cars and nothing to obstruct his view.

I cycled for 5 years in Sheffield often in the 20-30 mph bracket where motorists do not take notice of you at all.  When cycling downhill you have to operate VERY defensively in that situation, add poor weather to the equation and its a nightmare.  I had a eureka moment one day after a trundle downhill in the rain when 2 cars pulled out in front of me in different places one did the right thing when he eventually saw me and proceeded to GLF to get out of the way the second decided to stop in the middle of the road!  Needless to say I was airborn for a short while and despite beat plods being nearby they didnt see or decide to do anything (my confidence in the police was already shattered years before after a different cycling incident)

I fitted an airhorn to my bike where the gas conister was on the tribar/handlebar area and the horn, connected through some aquarium pipe, was siuated under the saddle.  It worked a treat and I had virtually no problems after that.  If I couldent be seen then I was going to be heard.  I also continued onto work in Paris where I used to cycle frequently around the Etoile/Arc de Triomphe which is scary enough in a car yet the airhorn made a massive difference.  

Sadly the bike was stolen along with my prototype and I havent got around to recreating it yet...

I think the morality is that everyone has a duty to drive smarter.  Yes speed is a factor but more in a sense of your ability to see and react to what is around you rather than what your collision speed might be.  Speed is not the only element of your driving that needs constant vigilance and attention.  I dont have a beef with people who speed, just those who are irresponsible in their application of speed according to the conditions and surroundings.  Dont forget you can drive slowly and be dangerous too.

[prestigesec]

There is a time and a place for everything just use common sense if your driving in a built up area slow down the last thing you want is a child on your dash board, also if your on a motorway at 3am and there is no one else on it i havnt a problem with anyone driving as fast as they want as your only gonna kill yourself if you get wrong, the chance you take. Me personally, i like to get my demons out of me racing round Oulton park makes you drive like a nun on the road after you been round. Sayin that if the motorway is quiet how many can honestly say they dont just give it a little more than normal

This is tripe too!  Which member of your family do you want me to wake up at 4am and tell that you're dead?

Motorway crossovers come to mind - perhaps into the path of a family on the way to the airport.  All because you 'fancied a bit of right foot.'

I'm one of the people who has to clear up your selfish mess.  I'm one of the people who has to hear your pathetic whinges, excuses or pleads for lenency when you're babbling in the back of my car.

You need to attend a speed awareness course URGENTLY.  Contact me, I'll even pay the £78 course fee out of my pocket!!!

For a start i have never and will never sit in the back of a police car so dont assume that i have, second of all if you are a police officer your observation skills are not very good but then again half of the force out there only see what they want to see anyway dont they!!! If you had read the quote correctly you would see that i said i take my demons out at oulton park race way!!! This is just another clear example of the 2 types of police officers we are paying for out of our wages every week you see what you want and thats it no ifs no buts your the law end of story, and then the other officer the one who lives in the real world a credit to our society the power hasnt gone to there head!!!!

[Albatross]

I sense a MOD coming this way :-?

Can we tone it down a touch? This is supposed to be a friendly place.







(or at least I hope so before this gets out of hand)

[hotel21]

is there any excuse i can use to get out of paying a speeding fine??? 35 in 30 limit area. have to fill form in tomorrow.

richie

To answer the original query of this thread, its up to you if/what excuse you want to use.

As to the rest of the thread and the assorted comments being passed back and forth, please refrain from mud pie throwing.  We all know there are good and bad in all walks of life and, more importantly perhaps, that people are killed and seriously injured on our roads day and daily.  

And yes, speed does play a part in that so lets discuss it in a sensible fashion as mature adults without generalisations or assumptions or quantum leaps in theory that conveniently miss out fact.....  

[Martin_1962]

Exceeding the posted limit as such AFAIC is not a problem. The problem is driver attitude.

I do not trust one bit the drivers driving dead at 30 in a 30 as what are they doing, nor someone doing 25 in an open or artificial 30.

The first type are normally speedo watching and do not notice what is happening on the road. The second type have no confidence and may panic.

Now someone who varies their speed between 15 and say 35 is actually looking at the road, driving at 30 dead and concentrating on that means you may not notice the hypothetical child running out. Whereas if you drive according to conditions you are probably ready to stop, even though when it was a bit clearer you were going faster.

As to noise, I think there is less noise at 40 than 30 as it gets past quicker and is slow enough for wind noise not to be a problem.

In the wrong circumstances low speed limits increase speed.

An example is the blanket 40mph limit around the River Helford in Cornwall. prior to the limit people drove at their limit of observation and conditions, now they will try to do 40 all the time. The locals have noticed this, the speeds have gone up down the lanes and slowed on the open clear roads.

Artificial limits are bad too - a local road was raised to 40 from 30 and flow improved, speeding convictions disappeared, and average speed dropped to 40 from mid 40s!!!! Give a sensible limit and people follow it.

I will state that if I am overtaking speed limits are ignored during the overtake, and on open roads I drive within my limits, the cars limits, the visibilty limit and the roads natural limit. I hope that people do understand what this means, and that the last thing it means is flat out everywhere or driving at a constant 45mph.

[albitz]

well said

[Andy B]

.....
I will state that if I am overtaking speed limits are ignored during the overtake, and on open roads I drive within my limits, the cars limits, the visibilty limit and the roads natural limit. I hope that people do understand what this means, and that the last thing it means is flat out everywhere or driving at a constant 45mph.

Gatsos & cameras stuck out the back of a van (or bounced off rear view mirrors) don't take account of common sense.