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[darkangel51n]

 As i try and change my car each year when my last miggy was laid to rest i could not find nothing to replace it and ended up with a rover 75 connissuer sc. This one was put together by bmw with a 2 litre v6 engine,it had all the toys looked good and drove like a dream. Over the year it has served me well with no breakdowns or problems, apart from normal wear and tear. didnt find spares hard to get for it and running costs were even.Iv had rover and vauxhall cars over the years with rover from the sdi to the 600/800 series and the sterlings, with vauxhall from the old cresta and the victor to the senator and the omega.my point is that rover have had quite a slaggin as rubbish but i dont agree and i think you get what you pay for  my only bug with it was that it felt like it could do with another gear when i was allready in 5th so dont believe all you hear about this make and model. now iv got a miggy 3ltr elite facelift, the rovers on the drive ready for sale its been a good car to drive and would i buy another one, yes i would but the beast of a mig i have now is the better option so heres to the parting with a old mate 

[hercules]

father inlaws just nicely bought a 75 estate with the bmw 2.0 diesel and its a lovely car,if i didnt need a bus for my tribe i would deffo get one

[TheBoy]

This one was put together by bmw with a 2 litre v6 engine

No it wasn't

Pre 2001, they were built by Rover Group in Cowley (now the MINI plant)
2001-2002 they were built by MG Rover Ltd in Cowley (now MINI plant)
2003-2005 they were built by MG Rover Ltd in Longbridge

The engine is from Rover Group (pre 2001), Powertrain Ltd (post 2001)


The only cars that BMW allowed Rover to design were:
MINI (which BMW kept)
Codename '35' which was quickly rehashed into RWD, and became the BMW 1 series upon the split
75 - limited by BMW in design so as not to encrouce on their own 5 series, and actually ended up being more of a 3 series sized car.

Due to BMW's mismanagement^*, the only previous Rovers release in BMW's era were:
400 - this was already too far down the line for BMW to stop, and a commercial agreement with Honda was too expensive to get out of.
200 (bubble) - due to BMW not being prepare to invest, they used the previous design that was going to be released before the R7 (wedge 200s), and had to use 'new' designed parts from the R7 parts bin.
25/45 - although good improvements on 200/400, little more than evolutions/facelifts.

No real engine development in after 1994 when BMW took over either.  The fact that the K series can, even now, hold their own against the crap that comes from the likes of Ford and Vauxhall is a testiment to the 25yr old motor...

^* It was probably the intention of BMW to close Rover soon after buying. It was stated at the time that BMW bought Rover Group, not for a ongoing business, but for:
4x4 technology (that they still made a hash of) from Landrover.
Mass production design and techniques from Rover.


So it always makes me chuckle when people say, for example, my Omega has the BMW TD, as if the BMW part somehow makes it better...



Whilst the styling isn't to my taste, and its a tad small, the 75 is a great car, and pretty robust. Cambelts are a pig on the V6 models though. Every bit as good as the Vectras and Mundanos of the time. 45s and 25s are also decent little motors. Really miss our 25.

[TheBoy]

On a similar 'german, so must be better', AMG always used to come to my bro's firm asking them what spec shocks to fit...  ...they couldn't understand that that was something the AMG designers should be stating...

[Rods2]

You know the old saying. The perfect car would be one designed in the UK, the production engineering done by the Germans, manufactured by the Japanese and sold by American salesmen. 

[Shackeng]

This one was put together by bmw with a 2 litre v6 engine

No it wasn't

Pre 2001, they were built by Rover Group in Cowley (now the MINI plant)
2001-2002 they were built by MG Rover Ltd in Cowley (now MINI plant)
2003-2005 they were built by MG Rover Ltd in Longbridge

The engine is from Rover Group (pre 2001), Powertrain Ltd (post 2001)


The only cars that BMW allowed Rover to design were:
MINI (which BMW kept)
Codename '35' which was quickly rehashed into RWD, and became the BMW 1 series upon the split
75 - limited by BMW in design so as not to encrouce on their own 5 series, and actually ended up being more of a 3 series sized car.

Due to BMW's mismanagement^*, the only previous Rovers release in BMW's era were:
400 - this was already too far down the line for BMW to stop, and a commercial agreement with Honda was too expensive to get out of.
200 (bubble) - due to BMW not being prepare to invest, they used the previous design that was going to be released before the R7 (wedge 200s), and had to use 'new' designed parts from the R7 parts bin.
25/45 - although good improvements on 200/400, little more than evolutions/facelifts.

No real engine development in after 1994 when BMW took over either.  The fact that the K series can, even now, hold their own against the crap that comes from the likes of Ford and Vauxhall is a testiment to the 25yr old motor...

^* It was probably the intention of BMW to close Rover soon after buying. It was stated at the time that BMW bought Rover Group, not for a ongoing business, but for:
4x4 technology (that they still made a hash of) from Landrover.
Mass production design and techniques from Rover.


So it always makes me chuckle when people say, for example, my Omega has the BMW TD, as if the BMW part somehow makes it better...



Whilst the styling isn't to my taste, and its a tad small, the 75 is a great car, and pretty robust. Cambelts are a pig on the V6 models though. Every bit as good as the Vectras and Mundanos of the time. 45s and 25s are also decent little motors. Really miss our 25.

Than what?

Going on my experience over 13 years, my 'BMW' TD has performed faultlessly, but I realise others may have had a different experience.

[Kevin Wood]

You know the old saying. The perfect car would be one designed in the UK, the production engineering done by the Germans, manufactured by the Japanese and sold by American salesmen. 

FFS don't let the Germans make any decisions.

First lesson of German management - Sit on the fence until someone pushes you off. Decision made.

[Rods2]

You know the old saying. The perfect car would be one designed in the UK, the production engineering done by the Germans, manufactured by the Japanese and sold by American salesmen. 

FFS don't let the Germans make any decisions.

First lesson of German management - Sit on the fence until someone pushes you off. Decision made.

He who sits on fence gets splinters in bum. 

[Vamps]

I have had a couple of P6 Rovers, a 2.0L and a 3.5L lovely cars, but possibly the best car I have ever owned was a Rover 827, it went like stink, very comfy and totally reliable, no problems over about 3 years, other than service items, I tried an 820 but the engine and gearbox let it down badly, I got rid pretty quickly My Dad has had his diesel Rover 75 for years without a problem, the 75 is a car I would happily consider if changing, I particularly like the 'Retro' styling....

[TheBoy]

Than what?

Going on my experience over 13 years, my 'BMW' TD has performed faultlessly, but I realise others may have had a different experience.

There is a mentality - look over ebay or autotrader - that mentioning BMW elevates your goods to a higher status, they all go to lengths to mention it.

Whilst I quite like the 2.5TD engine, its not great. Its not bad either. It is quite fragile if neglected.

My point being, there is no relevence to the fact the engine is sourced from BMW.

[Shackeng]

Than what?

Going on my experience over 13 years, my 'BMW' TD has performed faultlessly, but I realise others may have had a different experience.

There is a mentality - look over ebay or autotrader - that mentioning BMW elevates your goods to a higher status, they all go to lengths to mention it.

Whilst I quite like the 2.5TD engine, its not great. Its not bad either. It is quite fragile if neglected.

My point being, there is no relevence to the fact the engine is sourced from BMW.

Agreed, it is even possible I may have been guilty of such embellishment myself.
My post should be edited to read "....performed faultlessly, but would benefit by having a diesel tanker towed behind.