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X20XEV main oil seal
« on: 27 April 2012, 17:24:25 »
Hiya,

car has been in for a service today, and mechanic confirmed my fears, that the main oil seal is leaking.  He's put some stop leak in for now to see if it helps, but he said the leak is quite bad   :(

He's never done one before, and wondered if I could find out if its just a case of detatching the gearbox, or whether the sump has to come off too.

If someone can let me know, it would be appreciated, as then I can let the mechanic know and he can give me an idea on price to change it.

Just found out that the cambelt needs doing too, I thought it had been changed at 92k, but reading the book more closely (ie through the ink of the dealer stamps), the last time it was done was in 2003 at 39k - the car has now done 119k, and the book says it should be changed every 80k on the X20XEV.

Deepest joy.......   ::)  ::)  ::)

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Re: X20XEV main oil seal
« Reply #1 on: 27 April 2012, 17:44:39 »
Quote from: Guinney1971 on 27 April 2012, 17:24:25
Hiya,

car has been in for a service today, and mechanic confirmed my fears, that the main oil seal is leaking.  He's put some stop leak in for now to see if it helps, but he said the leak is quite bad   :(

He's never done one before, and wondered if I could find out if its just a case of detatching the gearbox, or whether the sump has to come off too.

If someone can let me know, it would be appreciated, as then I can let the mechanic know and he can give me an idea on price to change it.

Just found out that the cambelt needs doing too, I thought it had been changed at 92k, but reading the book more closely (ie through the ink of the dealer stamps), the last time it was done was in 2003 at 39k - the car has now done 119k, and the book says it should be changed every 80k on the X20XEV.

Deepest joy.......   ::)  ::)  ::)
40K or 4 years.
Gearbox out, flitch plate off. Ideally need to make some sort of guide to fit the new seal.  http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=75585.0
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Re: X20XEV main oil seal
« Reply #2 on: 27 April 2012, 17:52:56 »
cheers for the info, but still confused about the cambelt - the book deffo says that for all engines except the Y17DT and Omega B X25DT, that the toothed belt should be replaced at 8yrs/80k (Service Plan C, additional operations).

I'm worried about driving it now incase the belt snaps!

I'll chat to the garage and give him the info - I take it he'll have the various tools needed to do the job, without resulting to self tappers and Coke cans tho! lol
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« Reply #3 on: 27 April 2012, 17:54:48 »
At some point Vauxhall decided 40k was silly and changed the interval to 80k.

They changed it back when engines started grenading somewhere between 40k and 80k..

(At least for the V6s, I presume the 4pot is the same)
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« Reply #4 on: 27 April 2012, 18:04:49 »
ah right, that explains it then, they probably wrote to all owners saying "sorry guys, we f'ked up" (or words to that effect) and advised people to change the belts earlier.

Well I'm uber twitchy now about driving Morticia, but with the money we've just forked out on it (plus it needs taxing next week too), I'm tempted not to use it, and mebbe switch back to driving the Avantime until we can afford to get the oil seal and cambelt fixed - bloody typical, we're supposed to be taking the Omega to France in 5wks!
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Re: X20XEV main oil seal
« Reply #5 on: 27 April 2012, 18:11:12 »
found this on Ebay - is it worth a punt seeing as its only been used for 5 mins?  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vectra-x20xev-cambelt-and-water-pump-kit-/140742858737?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20c4ed97f1#vi-ilComp

Might try and do cambelt ourselves, Phill said it "looks easy"............ ::)
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« Reply #6 on: 27 April 2012, 18:30:32 »
I'd never trust a s/hand timing belt kit - who knows the honesty of the seller? I think you can pick up a Contitech or Gates kit for near £50 - and renew the water pump at the same time, since it's driven by the cam belt on the 4pot.
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Re: X20XEV main oil seal
« Reply #7 on: 27 April 2012, 18:30:43 »
Not too bad a job to do. Personally wouldn't trust a 2nd hand kit because you only have the sellers word that it was only fitted for 5 mins ;) But sometimes needs must
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« Reply #8 on: 27 April 2012, 19:18:05 »
yer, normally I wouldnt trust 2nd hand stuff, but pretty skint now after this week (tax+LPG service & repairs+engine service & repairs+full tank of LPG = £514!!), so trying to save a few pennies. 

Phill said he'll have a look at the belt and check its condition before we do anything else, if it *looks* ok, we might just take a flyer on it and leave it until after holiday, but we'll be doing about 2000 miles over 12 days ......

Is this the seal I need?  It lists 'Omega B Caravan 2.0 X20XEV' in the "this is what it fits list"
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-REAR-CRANK-SHAFT-OIL-SEAL-0614840-90325572-205254-05101-/290651864442?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43ac337d7a#ht_12224wt_1163
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Re: X20XEV main oil seal
« Reply #9 on: 27 April 2012, 20:58:22 »
has consideration been given to the fact the seal might be leaking due to blocked crankcase breathers? Eg large pipe to flametrap. Notorious on 2.0

how is the camcover gasket / plug wells?

Clare re the cambelt it's on seriously borrowed time. You won't be able to jusge condition visually. It's usually the rollers which fail internally.

This weekend I am hugely busy, but the 2.0 cam belt is not a bad job. If it's urgent for your hols, I can spare you an hour, bring a cambelt kit down on Sunday and I'll sort it for liquid currency...
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« Reply #10 on: 27 April 2012, 21:57:36 »
Quote from: JamesV6CDX on 27 April 2012, 20:58:22
has consideration been given to the fact the seal might be leaking due to blocked crankcase breathers? Eg large pipe to flametrap. Notorious on 2.0

how is the camcover gasket / plug wells?

Clare re the cambelt it's on seriously borrowed time. You won't be able to jusge condition visually. It's usually the rollers which fail internally.

This weekend I am hugely busy, but the 2.0 cam belt is not a bad job. If it's urgent for your hols, I can spare you an hour, bring a cambelt kit down on Sunday and I'll sort it for liquid currency...

TBH, the mechanic at the garage didnt say owt about blocked breathers, so cheers for the heads up on that.

I've got another car I can use, and tbh the weather forecast for Sunday is shocking and we've got nowhere to work undercover, so if you wanted to leave it for another weekend and let me know your choice of liquid currency and we'll sort summat - thanks!!  :y
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Re: X20XEV main oil seal
« Reply #11 on: 27 April 2012, 22:09:02 »
Quote from: Guinney1971 on 27 April 2012, 21:57:36
Quote from: JamesV6CDX on 27 April 2012, 20:58:22
has consideration been given to the fact the seal might be leaking due to blocked crankcase breathers? Eg large pipe to flametrap. Notorious on 2.0

how is the camcover gasket / plug wells?

Clare re the cambelt it's on seriously borrowed time. You won't be able to jusge condition visually. It's usually the rollers which fail internally.

This weekend I am hugely busy, but the 2.0 cam belt is not a bad job. If it's urgent for your hols, I can spare you an hour, bring a cambelt kit down on Sunday and I'll sort it for liquid currency...

TBH, the mechanic at the garage didnt say owt about blocked breathers, so cheers for the heads up on that.

I've got another car I can use, and tbh the weather forecast for Sunday is shocking and we've got nowhere to work undercover, so if you wanted to leave it for another weekend and let me know your choice of liquid currency and we'll sort summat - thanks!!  :y

Fine by me :y

The breathers are a classic culprit on these. If we leave 'till another weekend, then we can look at these too :y
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« Reply #12 on: 28 April 2012, 00:27:50 »
thats really kind of you to offer to help out, I hope I'm not putting you to any trouble?

Are you local to me then?  I'm near J27 of the M1.

thanks in advance  :)
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« Reply #13 on: 03 May 2012, 14:05:32 »
Hi James,

just wondering what weekend you'd be free to pop over and have a techy sesh on my Omega?  I'm just in the process of sourcing cambelt kit and waterpump (unless you can supply them cheaper then FleaBay)?

I'll make sure the kettle is in full working order and a that there's a good supply of bacon cobs  ;)

cheers

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« Reply #14 on: 03 May 2012, 20:56:42 »
Hiya claire, how about not this weekend, but next? :)

I would source parts from buypartsby.co.uk, give them a try :)
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