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[jonnyboyws6]

Just heard on the news that the government is intending to introduce road pricing, because of a shortfall in revenue from fuel tax due to modern cars being more fuel efficient (or electric) and people driving less. So let me get this straight, they increase fuel duty to the point where people can no longer afford it, then look for another way to get more money out of us? I think we are being shafted.

Note to the chancellor: Part of something is better than all of nothing 

[mantahatch]

Love to know how it will be implemented. I suspect it will be just another type of tax disc to display, as that is the cheapest option to implement.
As a low mileage driver (max 4000 a year) you would think I would welcome it. Well you would be wrong, as I am well aware all my food and deliveries in general will just shoot up to cover the increased costs. So average joe will actually get shafted twice by road pricing.

I hope it is just another scaremongering rumour type thing doing the rounds again.

[Lazydocker]

Against the general flow and against my natural instincts as a high mileage driver, I'm all for PAYG road charging BUT only if fuel duty is reduced to compensate for it And if the money raised went into improving the road network and not into the chancellors pocket

It would mean that I'd probably pay considerably more for my car and vans but less for SWMBO's car. I think it's only fair that the vehicles that are doing the greater mileage pay more for the roads.

It's something I've supported for years... Do away with a charge for RFL (or make it minimal), reduce fuel duty to a marginal figure (no more than a couple of pence per litre should be sufficient) and charge for the road use. Trouble is, how do you implement and monitor it? There are ways to fiddle the reading in the car so it would have to be GPS tracked and there's no way they're ever fitting a "Big Brother" Box into any of my motors

[jonnyboyws6]

Don't get me wrong, I would be all for a fairer system where I pay for what I use, but I doubt it would be fairer, just a continuing fuel tax escalator (which they are refusing to back down on at the minute) increase in road tax every budget AND road pricing.

The "black box" system is already in place, albeit as a voluntary system for younger drivers to reduce insurance premiums. The monitoring of where, when, and at what speed you drive exists now, so administrating a charging system on this infastructure would be a relatively small step.

[Lazydocker]

Don't get me wrong, I would be all for a fairer system where I pay for what I use, but I doubt it would be fairer, just a continuing fuel tax escalator (which they are refusing to back down on at the minute) increase in road tax every budget AND road pricing.

Agreed, that's why I said I'd be for it if everything else changed

The "black box" system is already in place, albeit as a voluntary system for younger drivers to reduce insurance premiums. The monitoring of where, when, and at what speed you drive exists now, so administrating a charging system on this infastructure would be a relatively small step.

But it voluntary at the moment and, like I said, they aren't fitting one of them to any of my motors

[STMO123]

I heard that it was another worthless report mooting toll charges instead of a road fund license.

[feeutfo]

Only a suggestion so far I believe.

[Kevin Wood]

I'm sure they'd love to implement this however, it requires a government IT project.

Government IT projects always fail.

So no, I'm not that worried.

[cleggy]

I'm sure they'd love to implement this however, it requires a government IT project.

Government IT projects always fail.

So no, I'm not that worried.

That's because they use Hewlett Packards Faciliies Management arm the former EDS, once upon a time owned by one Ross Perot former US Presidential candidate and GM executive. No one in the civil service knows Jack Shit about writing a tender, sticking to it or project managing it

 Just another hair brained scheme to shaft the motorist thought up by some quango, funded by us and sanctioned by some self serving useless ex Oxford University rich boy MP with no experience of life or the real world

[mantahatch]

Against the general flow and against my natural instincts as a high mileage driver, I'm all for PAYG road charging BUT only if fuel duty is reduced to compensate for it And if the money raised went into improving the road network and not into the chancellors pocket

It would mean that I'd probably pay considerably more for my car and vans but less for SWMBO's car. I think it's only fair that the vehicles that are doing the greater mileage pay more for the roads.

It's something I've supported for years... Do away with a charge for RFL (or make it minimal), reduce fuel duty to a marginal figure (no more than a couple of pence per litre should be sufficient) and charge for the road use. Trouble is, how do you implement and monitor it? There are ways to fiddle the reading in the car so it would have to be GPS tracked and there's no way they're ever fitting a "Big Brother" Box into any of my motors

Would you pay more, or would the extra cost get past on ?

[Lazydocker]

Against the general flow and against my natural instincts as a high mileage driver, I'm all for PAYG road charging BUT only if fuel duty is reduced to compensate for it And if the money raised went into improving the road network and not into the chancellors pocket

It would mean that I'd probably pay considerably more for my car and vans but less for SWMBO's car. I think it's only fair that the vehicles that are doing the greater mileage pay more for the roads.

It's something I've supported for years... Do away with a charge for RFL (or make it minimal), reduce fuel duty to a marginal figure (no more than a couple of pence per litre should be sufficient) and charge for the road use. Trouble is, how do you implement and monitor it? There are ways to fiddle the reading in the car so it would have to be GPS tracked and there's no way they're ever fitting a "Big Brother" Box into any of my motors

Would you pay more, or would the extra cost get past on ?

I'd certainly pay more for my car. The Vans... I doubt it would get passed on TBH. The deciding factor would be how much more it was

[tunnie]

I'm sure they'd love to implement this however, it requires a government IT project.

Government IT projects always fail.

So no, I'm not that worried.

Yup, just look at the NHS I.T projects.

Its completely unworkable, it guaranteed people will hack the units. What happens if you find a way the tracker turning it off? 

Way too much involved in policing it & making it work.

It won't happen in this or the next decade at least!

[Martian]

I think we are being shafted.

Finally dawned on you has it?

Love to know how it will be implemented.

ANPR.

[tunnie]

I think we are being shafted.

Finally dawned on you has it?

Love to know how it will be implemented.

ANPR.

Proven technology, but that method would mean cameras on every street corner. Main road I guess could be targeted, but still huge and very expensive way.

One hell of an IT project, which as Kevin says, goverment I.T projects have issues 

[jaykay]

Surely the fairest way of sorting this is via fuel duty.

Some people moan and groan, but the more mileage you do, the more fuel you use, the more duty you pay.

If you have a gas guzzler, you pay proportionately more, if you have something with a miserly fuel consumption, you pay less.

Duck now