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[Martian]

Proven technology, but that method would mean cameras on every street corner. Main road I guess could be targeted, but still huge and very expensive way.

We're pretty much at that stage already T, it would certainly be cheaper to add extra cameras then the next (doomed) IT project in the making.

One hell of an IT project, which as Kevin says, goverment I.T projects have issues 

Is "issues" the PC term for "10 years past the deadline, and £15 million over budget"? 

Surely the fairest way of sorting this is via fuel duty.

Some people moan and groan, but the more mileage you do, the more fuel you use, the more duty you pay.

If you have a gas guzzler, you pay proportionately more, if you have something with a miserly fuel consumption, you pay less.

Duck now 

No need to duck at all, that is a perfectly logical thought IMHO.
However we replaced common sense with political correctness years ago, and Tony B LIAR made up almost 4000 other reasons to extract money from the working mug so long ago that we now accept it as the norm.

[tunnie]

I personally cannot see the ANPR way working, I think they would be targeted. Fill them with expanding foam trick, or just a simple sticker on the camera lens. They would spend more fixing them, then getting money out of them.

GPS trackers would be the way of choice I think 

[Martian]

I personally cannot see the ANPR way working, I think they would be targeted. Fill them with expanding foam trick, or just a simple sticker on the camera lens. They would spend more fixing them, then getting money out of them.

I'll simply note down your registration number, go to Blackbushe market, have the plates made as "show plates" (no need for ID), put them on my vehicle, and then you foot the bill for me 

As you said earlier mate, an easily hacked system.

GPS trackers would be the way of choice I think 

Again, very easy to disable by simply blocking the signal (assuming I even present my car for the obligatory fitting in the first place).

[Taxi_Driver]

I personally cannot see the ANPR way working, I think they would be targeted. Fill them with expanding foam trick, or just a simple sticker on the camera lens. They would spend more fixing them, then getting money out of them.

GPS trackers would be the way of choice I think 

Their popping up everywhere......try coming into/leaving Swindon from either M4 junction, your number is snapped, same as going on the A419 bypassing Swindon.
Their not easily reached either.....The ones on the A419 are mounted on very tall poles.
The ones at jn15 & jn16 are mounted on overhead gantries.

So unless you fancy some mountainering there not easy to get to 

[tunnie]

I personally cannot see the ANPR way working, I think they would be targeted. Fill them with expanding foam trick, or just a simple sticker on the camera lens. They would spend more fixing them, then getting money out of them.

I'll simply note down your registration number, go to Blackbushe market, have the plates made as "show plates" (no need for ID), put them on my vehicle, and then you foot the bill for me 

As you said earlier mate, an easily hacked system.

GPS trackers would be the way of choice I think 

Again, very easy to disable by simply blocking the signal (assuming I even present my car for the obligatory fitting in the first place).

All of which makes current system quite fair, more you drive, more you use in fuel. The more you pay!

[Martian]

I personally cannot see the ANPR way working, I think they would be targeted. Fill them with expanding foam trick, or just a simple sticker on the camera lens. They would spend more fixing them, then getting money out of them.

I'll simply note down your registration number, go to Blackbushe market, have the plates made as "show plates" (no need for ID), put them on my vehicle, and then you foot the bill for me 

As you said earlier mate, an easily hacked system.

GPS trackers would be the way of choice I think 

Again, very easy to disable by simply blocking the signal (assuming I even present my car for the obligatory fitting in the first place).

All of which makes current system quite fair, more you drive, more you use in fuel. The more you pay!

I'd say we are being royally shafted under the current system with the amount of tax involved, but that's neither here nor there.

The proposed changes would mean that we pay "per mile", and that's a loser for anyone who does more than (say) 1000 miles per year (based on quotes provided by insurance companies who provide "by the mile" cover).
Don't think for one minute that if "pay per mile" comes in that road tax will be ditched, it ain't gonna happen mate....it will just be another tax that we will begrudginly accept whle being further beaten in to submission.

Compare it to smokers......

Last time I looked the government raked in £11 billion per annum in tobacco duty alone, now I'm sure you'll agree that isn't a sum to be sniffed at.
The government pumps out adverts about giving up smoking and all that crap, but what do you think would happen if all the smokers in the UK did what the adverts said and gave up?

Do you really believe the government will let £11 billion escape?

Oh no mate, every single last person will have their taxes (and instant fines) increased to make up for the shortfall.

[Lampynoiseboy]

I'm of the opinion that the Tax Disc should be scrapped in favour of a slight increase in fuel duty. I drive 15-18k a year, have friends who do much more & my Mum does less than 2k- all paying the same tax, hardly fair I think.

You would still have to display a disc in your windscreen but this would be MOT instead, thereby showing you had one (or exemption if less than 3 years old), making the police's job easier to catch the tinkers that don't have one, you would still have to visit the post office & prove (electronically or otherwise) that you have insurance, and most of Swansea would still have a job allowing the government to keep track of the vehicles 

The only reason I can see this wouldn't be popular with Westminster is how much general big business would kick off about it

[TheBoy]

Ultimately, 2 things have to happen simultaneously:

The government need to raise more revenues.
The civil service needs to dramatically shrink and become moderately efficient.


So, we need to see drastic cuts in services, and taxes rise.

And to preempt the higher unemployment when the civil service kick out the dead wood, unemployment benefit needs to be cut to a level where *any* job will do.

Harsh reality I'm afraid. We've been living beyond our means for far, far too long.

[TheBoy]

and most of Swansea would still have a job allowing the government to keep track of the vehicles 

Useless bunch of inefficient morons.

[Lampynoiseboy]

Ultimately, 2 things have to happen simultaneously:

The government need to raise more revenues.
The civil service needs to dramatically shrink and become moderately efficient.


So, we need to see drastic cuts in services, and taxes rise.

And to preempt the higher unemployment when the civil service kick out the dead wood, unemployment benefit needs to be cut to a level where *any* job will do.

Harsh reality I'm afraid. We've been living beyond our means for far, far too long.

They're making a new series of "yes minister" still one of the funniest programs ever made, and sadly very accurate

and most of Swansea would still have a job allowing the government to keep track of the vehicles 

Useless bunch of inefficient morons.

The Welsh generally?

[TheBoy]

I was, of course, refering to the DVLA...

[Lampynoiseboy]

I was, of course, refering to the DVLA...

Of course 

[Kevin Wood]

I personally cannot see the ANPR way working, I think they would be targeted. Fill them with expanding foam trick, or just a simple sticker on the camera lens. They would spend more fixing them, then getting money out of them.

I don't know so much. ANPR cameras are everywhere. They don't have to be conspicuous like speed cameras, so most would probably not know what to target, or even notice them. Having had a little insight from the guy who runs the ANPR network for a local county constabulary, believe me, a car doesn't have to move far before they know about it.

The only missing link is that plates can be cloned, so we need plates with transponders on to back up the ANPR data. That's where the IT project comes in.

[Varche]

Pay per mile will be the goal as you can vary the charge according to time to try and traffic shape or whatever the vehicular term is. A simple tax on fuel doesn't allow that. In addition discounts will be able to be applied electronically e.g. disabled folk or anyone whose surname begins with V or surcharges to hooligans.

I agree that road fund tax is time expired and costly to administer. The Spanish have got it right with whoever owns the car on a specific date has to pay the road tax for the year., No six month deals, No refunds, except if the vehicle is scrapped. And then you only get whole quarters and not months. MOT is a simple sticker in windscreen showing expiry year and month. The Spanish cops have all the info including insurance on their in car systems AND you have to carry the documents.