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[Dishevelled Den]

Ah, lots and lots. But I do try not to get too annoyed on the basis that there is no way I can change these people. They will continue to drive like wallies.

But...last week I was on my way through Luxembourg a huge traffic queue had been created by a broken down British tourist coach. Unfortunately the driver hadn't helped to give the British a good name by not pulling over into the hard shoulder. He just stopped in morning peak hour traffic on the inside lane of a 2 lane motorway. There was a hard shoulder there, but worse, the was also an exit slip road. I cannot think was emergency was so great he felt it necessary to stop on the inside lane. He was stood behind it looking in the engine bay speaking on the phone.
Still cannot figure out what he was thinking when he decided not to use the hard shoulder.

But I do try not to get too annoyed on the basis that there is no way I can change these people. They will continue to drive like wallies.

Yes I do agree with that V6 - difficult to do at times but, in the end, worth trying in an attempt to avoid the inevitable stress of confrontation.

[OOMV6]

Fog/ driving lights that have to be on no matter what the weather
middle lane hoggers who have no idea why they are being flashed at 

Sometimes good reason for middle land hoggers, lorry's always make line's on inside lane, not having joins all pulled around on my motor and if i'm going 70 + in middle lane i will NOT move to me it's 50-60 inside lane 60-75 middle line and 75-180 outside line, not like you can't over take on outside line.

It's not. It is lane 1. When you want to overtake, it's lane 2, then lane 3 if you want to pass what is in 2. I realise in the real world, this does not happen, and due to the volume of traffic, almost impossible to adhere to. With the general population thinking about the speed in relation to lanes, this is where a lot of the problems are.

[OOMV6]

Ah, lots and lots. But I do try not to get too annoyed on the basis that there is no way I can change these people. They will continue to drive like wallies.

But...last week I was on my way through Luxembourg a huge traffic queue had been created by a broken down British tourist coach. Unfortunately the driver hadn't helped to give the British a good name by not pulling over into the hard shoulder. He just stopped in morning peak hour traffic on the inside lane of a 2 lane motorway. There was a hard shoulder there, but worse, the was also an exit slip road. I cannot think was emergency was so great he felt it necessary to stop on the inside lane. He was stood behind it looking in the engine bay speaking on the phone.
Still cannot figure out what he was thinking when he decided not to use the hard shoulder.

But I do try not to get too annoyed on the basis that there is no way I can change these people. They will continue to drive like wallies.

Yes I do agree with that V6 - difficult to do at times but, in the end, worth trying in an attempt to avoid the inevitable stress of confrontation.

Indeed. Also keeps blood pressure down. I don't want to arrive at my destination all stressed out just because an event I have no control over annoys me. It's taken some years of practise, and sometimes of course I bite. With my "few" years behind the wheel, I realise we are zooming around in what is potentially a lethal machine, and as such should not be taken as a game or competition. There are track days for that.

[OOMV6]

[feeutfo]

Fog/ driving lights that have to be on no matter what the weather
middle lane hoggers who have no idea why they are being flashed at 

Sometimes good reason for middle land hoggers, lorry's always make line's on inside lane, not having joins all pulled around on my motor and if i'm going 70 + in middle lane i will NOT move to me it's 50-60 inside lane 60-75 middle line and 75-180 outside line, not like you can't over take on outside line.

Ah, but when doing 180 or what ever in the right hand lane, middle lane nodders that refuse to keep left mean others have to move into lane 3 when lane 1 is empty... Right in front of me doing 180... Or whatever.

So then we have the situation where... I can use lane 1 to under take the middle lane nodder, while nodder is being over taken by lane 3.

Anyway. One word that's in common for all these posts is... People! There are simply too many people on the roads (in cars obviously ). Did I see somewhere, the uk has the highest concentration of populous v square mile in Europe/anywhere or something?

We all make mistakes, but with that much traffic, fart and someone will cop the outcome. In certain traffic conditions, I find myself just sitting in pockets of empty motorway,mor sitting in the left lane behind a lorry, just to keep away from others.

But yes, biggest irritation, the Mrs! Random comments and distractions to a non multi tasking driver like me. Not good. Easily controlled by the pedal on the right though, to focus the mind of ALL the cars occupants.     

[waspy]

Fog/ driving lights that have to be on no matter what the weather
middle lane hoggers who have no idea why they are being flashed at 

Sometimes good reason for middle land hoggers, lorry's always make line's on inside lane, not having joins all pulled around on my motor and if i'm going 70 + in middle lane i will NOT move to me it's 50-60 inside lane 60-75 middle line and 75-180 outside line, not like you can't over take on outside line.

Just hope I don't follow you one day Rob, because there will be a major fall out 

It's courtesy to move over once you overtaken the other vehicle & it's the law. I don't agree with all the laws of the highway code, but this one I do

[OOMV6]

Fog/ driving lights that have to be on no matter what the weather
middle lane hoggers who have no idea why they are being flashed at 

Sometimes good reason for middle land hoggers, lorry's always make line's on inside lane, not having joins all pulled around on my motor and if i'm going 70 + in middle lane i will NOT move to me it's 50-60 inside lane 60-75 middle line and 75-180 outside line, not like you can't over take on outside line.

Just hope I don't follow you one day Rob, because there will be a major fall out 

It's courtesy to move over once you overtaken the other vehicle & it's the law. I don't agree with all the laws of the highway code, but this one I do

Not 100% sure, but I had a feeling it was a recommendation rather than law. Don't here about people being fined for driving in the middle lane .... unfortunately. 

[Entwood]

Fog/ driving lights that have to be on no matter what the weather
middle lane hoggers who have no idea why they are being flashed at 

Sometimes good reason for middle land hoggers, lorry's always make line's on inside lane, not having joins all pulled around on my motor and if i'm going 70 + in middle lane i will NOT move to me it's 50-60 inside lane 60-75 middle line and 75-180 outside line, not like you can't over take on outside line.

Just hope I don't follow you one day Rob, because there will be a major fall out 

It's courtesy to move over once you overtaken the other vehicle & it's the law. I don't agree with all the laws of the highway code, but this one I do

Not 100% sure, but I had a feeling it was a recommendation rather than law. Don't here about people being fined for driving in the middle lane .... unfortunately. 

I believe, and perhaps Broocie will give the definitive answer, that the Highway Code, although not the "law" per se, is seen by the courts as the "guide" and should be obeyed by all. I also believe that whilst there is no specific law regarding lane use, hogging the middle lane in contravention of the HC will get you done for "driving without due care and attention and driving without reasonable consideration on a road or public place." (Section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, as amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991) as described by "Wilkinson 25th Edition"

HTH 

[RobseyMV6]

Fog/ driving lights that have to be on no matter what the weather
middle lane hoggers who have no idea why they are being flashed at 

Sometimes good reason for middle land hoggers, lorry's always make line's on inside lane, not having joins all pulled around on my motor and if i'm going 70 + in middle lane i will NOT move to me it's 50-60 inside lane 60-75 middle line and 75-180 outside line, not like you can't over take on outside line.

Just hope I don't follow you one day Rob, because there will be a major fall out 

It's courtesy to move over once you overtaken the other vehicle & it's the law. I don't agree with all the laws of the highway code, but this one I do

Have a job to follow me, never seem to be in anyones way to have to move and doing 75 + on middle lane if it was 60 i would feel a fool to stay out there, then i would move yes.

[feeutfo]

... Plus. There should be a secondary test before driving on a motorway. IMO.

[tunnie]

... Plus. There should be a secondary test before driving on a motorway. IMO.

Its offered as part of "Pass Plus" which i did, but its not compulsory. I remember passing in a 1.0 Corsa, the Pass Plus was a different guy who had a 1.4, at the time I thought Oooo the power! 

[bored bigyin54]

to many to name 

[Dishevelled Den]

The specific offence Entwood refers to is quite clear;


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/3/enacted

3

Careless, and inconsiderate, driving

If a person drives a motor vehicle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.


The 1991 amendment to this added the following clarifications - but the core value of the offence remains;

2 Careless, and inconsiderate, driving..

For section 3 of the M2Road Traffic Act 1988 there shall be substituted—

“3 Careless, and inconsiderate, driving..

If a person drives a mechanically propelled vehicle  on a road or other public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place, he is guilty of an offence.”


It would have to be shown that the actions taken by a driver (in this instance the middle lane hog) amounted to the relevant constituent parts of the definition of the offence being satisfied so, if a Traffic Officer alleged that such driving amounted to such actions and a court subsequently agreed, then the driver is held to have committed the offence.

In many cases however it may be difficult to prove the substantive nature of the offence without some strong evidence gathered over road distance covered, by means of video, the observation of overt acts towards other vehicles and so on; in many cases the thought of having to try the matter in court is instrumental in some officers giving the driver of the car under notice a ballicking, rather than a formal caution with a view to prosecution.

The wording of the offence as stated in (either) Act is quite open and, in being so, invites the need for adjudication by a court in the event of formal proceedings being taken should the accused driver not accept the allegations made by the police or any other person.

[Lampynoiseboy]

... Plus. There should be a secondary test before driving on a motorway. IMO.

Abso-rather-lutley chris, I've been saying that for years.

At least they have changed licences a little for the better....once I passed my test I could've been in a 7.5t, or towing a caravan, both on a motorway within 15mins of passing....absolute lunacy IMHO

Rubberneckers.
How many times have you crawled in traffic for half-hour on the motorway to find the accident is on the other carraigeway? and then you get rear ended by some tw*t looking at the accident because you've had to brake because the other tw*t in front is also looking at it!

Should carry the death penalty

[D]

1. Self righteous wa****** who will not move out of the fast lane because the speed limit is 70. I could be rushing to hospital for an emergency, but they don't care or need to know. they just need to police other road users/force you to undertake. Oh and then when you do eventually get past, they decide to have a go by flashing their lights, how clever.
2. Idiots who pull out to overtake without any idea of the speed of the vehicle coming up behind, then causing said vehicle to have to brake.
3. Middle lane morons. I understand that lane 1 can be poorly surfaced, but unless its past midnight/before 6am/deserted, then move the f*** over. It takes 2 brain cells to understand this and move over. In fact why don't we all just drive in the fast lane, surely then when the surface gets worn out people could get back to driving as prescribed.

Rant over.