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[Nickbat]

At the end of the day, the goverments first priority is the defence of the Great Britian and all its interests.

That should come before everything.

All goverments think about today is buying the next election victory by wasteing tens of billions on "projects" that keep people happy, hopeing these mugs will fall for it and vote them in next time 
If we didn't go round kissing the yanks arse, Sticking our noses in everywhere in the world in the name of democracy and throwing money at the United States of Europe and the asian continent discuised as "aid", we would have more then enough money to sort out our own country and for a slim BUT affective armed forces which could do the job 

The Job? That is the million dollar question. Do we need a bloated armed services with a bunch of MOD buffoons wasting money by changing the defence procurement every five minutes at vast cost to the tax payer? One positive advantage of being in the EU is that we ought just to be able to have a nominal armed service and chip in what is required. Instead we feel obliged to be at the forefront of every conflict probably purely to showcase our military businesses because they do earn a lot of money for the country.

..and you think they (the EU forces) would help us out in the event one of our overseas territories was invaded? Now, that really is wishful thinking. 

[albitz]

I seem to remember our European partners across the channel (France) rejoicing when one of their Exocet missiles hit a British vessel during the Falklands campaign.I dont think we are on any better terms with the snail eating surrender monkeys now than we were then.

[jonathanh]

At the end of the day, the goverments first priority is the defence of the Great Britian and all its interests.

That should come before everything.

All goverments think about today is buying the next election victory by wasteing tens of billions on "projects" that keep people happy, hopeing these mugs will fall for it and vote them in next time 
If we didn't go round kissing the yanks arse, Sticking our noses in everywhere in the world in the name of democracy and throwing money at the United States of Europe and the asian continent discuised as "aid", we would have more then enough money to sort out our own country and for a slim BUT affective armed forces which could do the job 

The Job? That is the million dollar question. Do we need a bloated armed services with a bunch of MOD buffoons wasting money by changing the defence procurement every five minutes at vast cost to the tax payer? One positive advantage of being in the EU is that we ought just to be able to have a nominal armed service and chip in what is required. Instead we feel obliged to be at the forefront of every conflict probably purely to showcase our military businesses because they do earn a lot of money for the country.

..and you think they (the EU forces) would help us out in the event one of our overseas territories was invaded? Now, that really is wishful thinking. 

I disagree - if ever we wanted to raise a white flag we could always borrow one off the French.

[tigers_gonads]

I seem to remember our European partners across the channel (France) rejoicing when one of their Exocet missiles hit a British vessel during the Falklands campaign.I dont think we are on any better terms with the snail eating surrender monkeys now than we were then.

Ssssssssh

Don't let them hear you say that 

We have recently signed a agreement with them 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11670247

[Dishevelled Den]

At the end of the day, the goverments first priority is the defence of the Great Britian and all its interests.

That should come before everything.

All goverments think about today is buying the next election victory by wasteing tens of billions on "projects" that keep people happy, hopeing these mugs will fall for it and vote them in next time 
If we didn't go round kissing the yanks arse, Sticking our noses in everywhere in the world in the name of democracy and throwing money at the United States of Europe and the asian continent discuised as "aid", we would have more then enough money to sort out our own country and for a slim BUT affective armed forces which could do the job 

The Job? That is the million dollar question. Do we need a bloated armed services with a bunch of MOD buffoons wasting money by changing the defence procurement every five minutes at vast cost to the tax payer? One positive advantage of being in the EU is that we ought just to be able to have a nominal armed service and chip in what is required. Instead we feel obliged to be at the forefront of every conflict probably purely to showcase our military businesses because they do earn a lot of money for the country.

..and you think they (the EU forces) would help us out in the event one of our overseas territories was invaded? Now, that really is wishful thinking. 

Aside from the less than cordial  history between our two nations this idea of a common European Defence Force is nonsense to say the least – dissimilar weaponry, ordinance, defence infrastructure, tactical positioning, rank structures, strategic aims and of course language, to name but a few drawbacks.

The whole idea – rather like the rush towards European federalism – is merely a clusteropps to oblivion, with the ordinary Joe having to pay what will undoubtedly be a very heavy price for what can only be described as the outlandish dreams of cynical political operators in Brussels.

Someone needs to waketheoppsup and smell the coffee.

[Varche]

Different countries /armies are there(for the common good apparently) in Afghanistan. They seem to manage alright.

Didn't Europe do a similar thing in Libya? Maybe there were operational difficulties but lets face it there are when two regiments from the same country are fighting somewhere.

What overseas territories? I guess you are referring to the Falklands Nick. Even when we had a large military defending the Falklands or repelling an invader was a virtual impossibility. Thank goodness for the Ascension islands (from our esteemed friends). Maybe we ought to spend money on ballistic missiles positioned on these overseas territories!

[Rods2]

Don't worry the woman with mad cow disease in charge of the failed land stealer country is too busy wreaking their economy at the moment and stealing Spanish oil companies so they have no money to spend on their armed forces, which are essentially using the same equipment as 30 years ago when they invaded the Falklands. The Typhoons and HMS Dauntless can mop up their motley air force in a morning.

Just hope we have a nuclear submarine down their as their navy would form a bigger threat as we couldn't afford to fit Harpoon anti-ship missiles to the type 45 destroyers, so this is an optional extra to be fitted at a later date. 

The time to worry is if the failed land stealer country's economy recovers and they can afford to boost their defenses.

It won't be long to the next war, as we have almost run down our defenses enough ready for it, as per the 1930's. The Deputy PM Nick EU Slagg would make a good Neville Chamberlin, selling out to Brussels and coming back with a grubby bit of paper in his hand, saying Peace in our time we have solved the Euro crisis, forgetting about all the extreme Fascist and Communist European Governments that have elected as a result of it.

[aaronjb]

Different countries /armies are there(for the common good apparently) in Afghanistan. They seem to manage alright.

Didn't Europe do a similar thing in Libya? Maybe there were operational difficulties but lets face it there are when two regiments from the same country are fighting somewhere.

What overseas territories? I guess you are referring to the Falklands Nick. Even when we had a large military defending the Falklands or repelling an invader was a virtual impossibility. Thank goodness for the Ascension islands (from our esteemed friends). Maybe we ought to spend money on ballistic missiles positioned on these overseas territories!

Jersey, Guernsey, IOM and I think we have to defend this lot, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories

[STMO123]

This is one of the reasons Germany is so well-off. No defence budget to speak of.

[Rods2]

Don't worry you can really trust the French as the Americans found out to their cost in the bombing campaign in Serbia during their civil war. The only F117 Stealth Bomber to ever be shot down was due to allegedly French intelligence leaking the flight plans to Serbia including entrance, exit routes and times. 

[tigers_gonads]

Don't worry the woman with mad cow disease in charge of the failed land stealer country is too busy wreaking their economy at the moment and stealing Spanish oil companies so they have no money to spend on their armed forces, which are essentially using the same equipment as 30 years ago when they invaded the Falklands. The Typhoons and HMS Dauntless can mop up their motley air force in a morning.

Just hope we have a nuclear submarine down their as their navy would form a bigger threat as we couldn't afford to fit Harpoon anti-ship missiles to the type 45 destroyers, so this is an optional extra to be fitted at a later date. 

The time to worry is if the failed land stealer country's economy recovers and they can afford to boost their defenses.

It won't be long to the next war, as we have almost run down our defenses enough ready for it, as per the 1930's. The Deputy PM Nick EU Slagg would make a good Neville Chamberlin, selling out to Brussels and coming back with a grubby bit of paper in his hand, saying Peace in our time we have solved the Euro crisis, forgetting about all the extreme Fascist and Communist European Governments that have elected as a result of it.

And that is a very good point 

It makes me laugh that some muppets think europe is a nice stable friendly place.
Imo, the eastern side of europe is a powder keg just waiting to go bang 

There is nothing more Putin and his chums would like then to have states like Latvia, Lithuania and Ukraine back under there control.
You only have to turn the clock back a couple of years to see what happened to Georgia when they pished off putin.

Europe was a simple place with simple rules back in the cold war era.

Now who makes up those rules is anybody guess 
Is it those who have the most natural resources or those of us that has the largest stick ?
Or even both 

The yanks don't care about europe anymore.
They are too busy building massive bases for there armed forces in Austrialia and having a face off with China in the far east 

[Rods2]

This is one of the reasons Germany is so well-off. No defence budget to speak of.

In 2011 UK spent $62.7bn, where Germany spent $46.7bn., so not that big a difference. UK 4th biggest spender after the US, China and Russia, the French 5th with $62.5bn (you can buy a lot of white flags for that  ) and Germany 9th.

Germany has a small navy and much bigger army that us 200,000 strong v 100,000, which is what you would expect for a Central European country.

[tigers_gonads]

As for defending The Falklands.

Just use West Falkland as a part of the normal army training rota 

Send our lads down there on in 4 month training stints so that we always have plenty of bodies around incase daft cow gets silly again.

Simples 

[tigers_gonads]

Don't worry you can really trust the French as the Americans found out to their cost in the bombing campaign in Serbia during their civil war. The only F117 Stealth Bomber to ever be shot down was due to allegedly French intelligence leaking the flight plans to Serbia including entrance, exit routes and times. 

They lost that one because as soon as the aircraft opened its bomb doors, it lit up like a christmas tree on radar and the serbs was more then happy to fill it up with 23mm shells 

[Rods2]

Yep, radar signature is much bigger with bomb doors open, but they are only open for a very short time. It makes it much easier when you know the target and aircraft approach and exit times and routes, when you have been given by French Intelligence.