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[jereboam]

I'm sure this has been covered in depth somewhere on the Forum, but the search box didn’t reveal anything very useful.

I need two new tyres.  The two Pirelli P6000s on the front are OK but the two at the back need replacing.  It seems that P6000s are hard to come by these days, and everyone wants to sell me P7s at £140 each.  The tyre centre down the road wanted to sell me some cheaper ones (can't remember the name - sounded Japanese) at £99.  He says that they're much the same sort of handling as Pirellis, possibly slightly better.  But then he would say that, wouldn’t he?

He also said that he would fit P6000s for me for about £15 a wheel if I could get hold of them on the internet, but only if they were less than 5 years old.  He said that tyres have a limited shelf life.  I didn’t know they had date markings on, and I can’t find anything on my current tyres that I can identify as a date.  I haven’t managed to find P6000s in the right size yet, but if I do, how can I be sure they aren’t out of date?

But the big question is “Should I spend £300 on 2 Pirellis or £200 on 2 non-premium brand tyres?”.

[tunnie]

It all depends what you want out of a tyre?

I'm happy to put £90 a corner tyres on my 3.2, I'm happy with the grip & noise levels. Its too early to indicate wear rates though, but many others, TB, Chris, Paul would not even consider the brand of tyres I have on (Nexen N6000's) as they don't offer enough grip for their driving style.

Its all down to what you want to spend & how much grip you want, given power of V6's I'd avoid low budgets with random brands.

[Lazydocker]

It all depends what you want out of a tyre?

I'm happy to put £90 a corner tyres on my 3.2, I'm happy with the grip & noise levels. Its too early to indicate wear rates though, but many others, TB, Chris, Paul would not even consider the brand of tyres I have on (Nexen N6000's) as they don't offer enough grip for their driving style.

Its all down to what you want to spend & how much grip you want, given power of V6's I'd avoid low budgets with random brands.

TBH, I've been running Accellera Alpha's on mine for a while. They're reasonable but not always a good economy as ISTR Chris gets about 20k from SC3's. Hopefully the next set will be SC3's but if money is tight I'll be going to my normal place and having the Accellera's again

[tunnie]

I'd cry if I got 20k from a pair of tyres, I'd want 30k as a minimum!

[Lazydocker]

I'd cry if I got 20k from a pair of tyres, I'd want 30k as a minimum!

But you're happy with the hardest bit of legal rubber you can find

[tunnie]

I'd cry if I got 20k from a pair of tyres, I'd want 30k as a minimum!

But you're happy with the hardest bit of legal rubber you can find

A lot of it is down to driving style and the miles you do, can't remember the brand, think Dunlop cam on FatherT's 2.2 when brand spankers on company lease, he got 50k from those tyres. But 95% of it was motorway miles...

At £300 to £400 easy for a set, I want them to last as long as possible 

[jereboam]

I've never been one to fuss too much over tyres, but when I got the Omega, it was fitted with Dunlops (I think).  When they had to be replaced, by chance I got the Pirellis.  I'm not joking, it was like driving a different car!  It held the road better, it was quieter, and it felt safer in the wet.  Mind you, it wouldn't go at all on ice.

Since then, I've stuck to the same tyre, and if I could still get them, that's what I'd buy again.  It's not a choice between P6000s and a cheaper tyre, it's a choice between a new type of Pirelli tyre and a cheaper tyre.  The last tyre supplier I spoke to said the P7 used the same compound as the P6000, but had an improved tread pattern.  But (1) what does he know about compounds? and (2) he was trying to sell me tyres, so I'm not placing much faith in that.

I've got no idea what sort of mileage the Pirellis give - I only drive about 6000 miles a year since I retired, so it doesn't matter too much. 

[henryd]

If the "japanese sounding" tyre was a Khumo then I would be happy with them or Toyo for that matter

[feeutfo]

I'd cry if I got 20k from a pair of tyres, I'd want 30k as a minimum!

But you're happy with the hardest bit of legal rubber you can find

A lot of it is down to driving style and the miles you do, can't remember the brand, think Dunlop cam on FatherT's 2.2 when brand spankers on company lease, he got 50k from those tyres. But 95% of it was motorway miles...

At £300 to £400 easy for a set, I want them to last as long as possible 

With your driving style though, 30k would be quite possible (on sc3 for example) as you don't give the tyres as much grief. Plus if need be, the car might actually stop in an emergency. 


Jb...
Pirelli p6000 are not a particularly great tyre tbh. 2 omegas I've bought came with them fitted, they are "ok" ish but I'm sure a more modern tyre would give much better results for the money on the omega.
Opti has jus gone for Goodyear eagle f1 iirc...? Under a ton a corner seems a good bet to me. Although I've not tried them...maybe soon.

To disregard an entire manufacturers range of tyres is not always fare. (unless it's Falken of course ) Dunlop have a wide range of tyres to suit all tastes, the common trait seems to be noise though as you say. ...and if they where worn out or old, or even a hard compound high mileage model, or a combination of all three then any new tyre will be better by comparison. A common trap that one. It's the entire life of the tyre that's important.

If its a choice of one or the other, I'd stick to what you know. But encourage weening off pirellis if possible. There's better available for the money surely...?

[jereboam]

Good heavens! I'm not ruling out all Dunlops, and I'm not praising all Pirellis - it's just that I like the way my car runs on the P6000s compared to the original Dunlops, whatever they may have been.

But now that I come to think about it, as I don't do a lot of miles, and as I can't go above 72mph when my wife is in the car, which she is most of the time these days, it probably makes sense to go for the cheaper tyres. 

The bloke who fixed my exhaust was trying to sell me Cooper tyres - anyone know anything good or bad about that brand?

[cem_devecioglu]

Good heavens! I'm not ruling out all Dunlops, and I'm not praising all Pirellis - it's just that I like the way my car runs on the P6000s compared to the original Dunlops, whatever they may have been.

But now that I come to think about it, as I don't do a lot of miles, and as I can't go above 72mph when my wife is in the car, which she is most of the time these days, it probably makes sense to go for the cheaper tyres. 

The bloke who fixed my exhaust was trying to sell me Cooper tyres - anyone know anything good or bad about that brand?

its a usa based company and some if its tires made in china..  also there are various models so hard to say something 
 
imo kumho  and hankooks will do the job for you .. personally I wouldnt go for less..
 
ps: ask their dates of production..  dont buy a tire older than 6 months

[TheBoy]

Cooper are the budget side of Avon. Now seeing premium Avon are rubbish, you can understand why I told the local tyre firm who insisted that Cooper were the right tyre for me to place their tyres elsewhere.

Virtually all budget tyres, although may have reasonable dry weather grip, will become ditchfinders in the wet. Kumho being an exception (but still not there with the premiums).  Although my Dunlop Sport Maxx TT are usually cheaper than the Kumho.


Date code is normally within an oval, 4 digits, signifying week and year. Tyres should be replaced once 5 yrs is up.

[sjc]

P6000s are very soft and didn't last great on SWMBO's Astra SXi (15k), replaced them with Fulda Excelero's and it's like a different car in wet or dry and so far lasting well (18k and still 4mm tread left).

If I had the money, I'd go for Contintental SC3 or SC4.  Currently got Fuldas on front of my Omega and Kuhmos on the back (no Fuldas in stock at time of doing these 2).  Not as good as the Conti SC2s I had before but for the price difference I'm very happy with them.

I'd avoid putting cheap tyres on my Omega simply cos I tend to rag it from time to time and I like to stay on the black stuff.

[D]

Goodyear F1 asymmetric 2.

Fantastic tyres and brilliant grip. But then my priorities are different and grip is much more important to me than wear. I also drive my cars like they are stolen.

[D]

P6000s are very soft and didn't last great on SWMBO's Astra SXi (15k), replaced them with Fulda Excelero's and it's like a different car in wet or dry and so far lasting well (18k and still 4mm tread left).

If I had the money, I'd go for Contintental SC3 or SC4.  Currently got Fuldas on front of my Omega and Kuhmos on the back (no Fuldas in stock at time of doing these 2).  Not as good as the Conti SC2s I had before but for the price difference I'm very happy with them.

I'd avoid putting cheap tyres on my Omega simply cos I tend to rag it from time to time and I like to stay on the black stuff.

Don't think such a thing exists.