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[Varche]

Why? Well the NHS take on 1000's of junior doctors and amazingly don't have mentoring schemes etc.

What sort of a business does that?! Someone has come up with the bright idea of mentoring and keeping an eye on these junior doctors as a number of deaths and complications are apparently attributed to this annual influx.

I'll go one further. It is a 24 hour 365 day business so staff it accordingly. Consultants rota'd in at weekends as part of their standard pay and conditions. Like other companies do.

[D]

Why? Well the NHS take on 1000's of junior doctors and amazingly don't have mentoring schemes etc.

What sort of a business does that?! Someone has come up with the bright idea of mentoring and keeping an eye on these junior doctors as a number of deaths and complications are apparently attributed to this annual influx.

I'll go one further. It is a 24 hour 365 day business so staff it accordingly. Consultants rota'd in at weekends as part of their standard pay and conditions. Like other companies do.

Do you get paid to make these stories up?

Every junior doctor has a mentor. Every weekend has a consultant rota'd in, not just in August. Been that way for years.

Yes, new doctors do start in August, but it is just one level  (house officers) that are new/fresh/have very little experience. Even they spend 2 days shadowing the outgoing lot to learn the ropes. This has been going on for years.

Doctors change in Feb, April, August and October. Dont hear any hoo-ha at those times?

Edit: Let me go one step further.

Most of the shitty medical transfers we get from Spain repatriated back to the UK are so terribly mismanaged (in Spain) that it almost makes me scared to go on holiday there.

[Dishevelled Den]

Why? Well the NHS take on 1000's of junior doctors and amazingly don't have mentoring schemes etc.

What sort of a business does that?! Someone has come up with the bright idea of mentoring and keeping an eye on these junior doctors as a number of deaths and complications are apparently attributed to this annual influx.

I'll go one further. It is a 24 hour 365 day business so staff it accordingly. Consultants rota'd in at weekends as part of their standard pay and conditions. Like other companies do.

Do you get paid to make these stories up?//.....

That's somewhat reassuring D.

[tigers_gonads]

Oh wonderfull 

I've been in and out of the quacks for the last week.
Apparently, if this next lot of pills don't work, i'm off in for a day for tests 

[albitz]

http://news.sky.com/story/967395/doctor-scheme-to-cut-black-wednesday-deaths

 

[PhilRich]

http://news.sky.com/story/967395/doctor-scheme-to-cut-black-wednesday-deaths
 

I'm ok then Albs 'cos i'm a 'Thursdays Child' 

[PhilRich]

Here TB, have a look at yours, I bet it even tells you how much rubber you've burned over the Years!

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=what%20day%20was%20i%20born&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dayofbirth.co.uk%2F&ei=aXcZUKGQGOiw0QWo_oHwDg&usg=AFQjCNHJASaitwzHxPKutUR4QELQv4KkxQ

[Vamps]

Here TB, have a look at yours, I bet it even tells you how much rubber you've burned over the Years!

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=what%20day%20was%20i%20born&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dayofbirth.co.uk%2F&ei=aXcZUKGQGOiw0QWo_oHwDg&usg=AFQjCNHJASaitwzHxPKutUR4QELQv4KkxQ

I know a young man with autism who can tell you your day of birth from your date of birth in seconds and without a computer.......never gets it wrong......

[PhilRich]

Here TB, have a look at yours, I bet it even tells you how much rubber you've burned over the Years!

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=what%20day%20was%20i%20born&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dayofbirth.co.uk%2F&ei=aXcZUKGQGOiw0QWo_oHwDg&usg=AFQjCNHJASaitwzHxPKutUR4QELQv4KkxQ

I know a young man with autism who can tell you your day of birth from your date of birth in seconds and without a computer.......never gets it wrong......

[/highlight]




   Hmm 
Unless you were very good at maths or had a computer handy, how would you know he wasn't pulling your leg Mike




And on an entirely different subject........Which of you B*!%&$ds keeps altering my sex! it gets very confusing not knowing which clothes to wear on any given day! AND i'm sick of trying to find a bag  to match the shoes!

[Vamps]

Here TB, have a look at yours, I bet it even tells you how much rubber you've burned over the Years!

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=what%20day%20was%20i%20born&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dayofbirth.co.uk%2F&ei=aXcZUKGQGOiw0QWo_oHwDg&usg=AFQjCNHJASaitwzHxPKutUR4QELQv4KkxQ

I know a young man with autism who can tell you your day of birth from your date of birth in seconds and without a computer.......never gets it wrong......

[/highlight]




   Hmm 
Unless you were very good at maths or had a computer handy, how would you know he wasn't pulling your leg Mike




And on an entirely different subject........Which of you B*!%&$ds keeps altering my sex! it gets very confusing not knowing which clothes to wear on any given day! AND i'm sick of trying to find a bag  to match the shoes!

I checked it when I got home, lots of other professionals / teachers have had the same question, he asks anyone he meets, in fact it is his 'party piece'......it's not unusual with some people with autism to be able to work out mathematical formula almost instantly........

Another young man would give any of the bus experts a run for their money and he is only 22 or thereabouts, I did tell him about the bus thread but I don't think he ever came on..

[Varche]

Why? Well the NHS take on 1000's of junior doctors and amazingly don't have mentoring schemes etc.

What sort of a business does that?! Someone has come up with the bright idea of mentoring and keeping an eye on these junior doctors as a number of deaths and complications are apparently attributed to this annual influx.

I'll go one further. It is a 24 hour 365 day business so staff it accordingly. Consultants rota'd in at weekends as part of their standard pay and conditions. Like other companies do.

Do you get paid to make these stories up?

Every junior doctor has a mentor. Every weekend has a consultant rota'd in, not just in August. Been that way for years.

Yes, new doctors do start in August, but it is just one level  (house officers) that are new/fresh/have very little experience. Even they spend 2 days shadowing the outgoing lot to learn the ropes. This has been going on for years.

Doctors change in Feb, April, August and October. Dont hear any hoo-ha at those times?

Edit: Let me go one step further.

Most of the shitty medical transfers we get from Spain repatriated back to the UK are so terribly mismanaged (in Spain) that it almost makes me scared to go on holiday there.

Nice to have an insider perspective on the subject.

My experiences of relatives and friends in hospital was that none of them saw a consultant at a weekend. They were in limbo waiting till the next week. That was a while ago. I am glad that things have changed somewhat.

I have nothing but praise for the Spanish health sytem from first hand experience following a potentially serious accident Mrs V suffered. At every stage of her diagnostics we were kept informed of what was happening, what the results of last tests were and more importantly what was going to happen next and how long we would be expected to wait. That even included a body scan. At the end she was discharged and handed a printout of the day showing exactly what had happened,outcome of tests and that was and still is on their computer sytem accessible anywhere in Spain. One downside of the Health system here is that relatives are expected to provide the nursing care (feeding, bathing, clean changes of clothes). That maybe isn't such a bad thing based on my dads very recent experiences. Maybe your experiences with shitty transfers following repatriation are down to Spain not having a process to record these details as the patients won't have a health number on the system.

[jimac]

Why? Well the NHS take on 1000's of junior doctors and amazingly don't have mentoring schemes etc.

What sort of a business does that?! Someone has come up with the bright idea of mentoring and keeping an eye on these junior doctors as a number of deaths and complications are apparently attributed to this annual influx.

I'll go one further. It is a 24 hour 365 day business so staff it accordingly. Consultants rota'd in at weekends as part of their standard pay and conditions. Like other companies do.

Do you get paid to make these stories up?

Every junior doctor has a mentor. Every weekend has a consultant rota'd in, not just in August. Been that way for years.

Yes, new doctors do start in August, but it is just one level  (house officers) that are new/fresh/have very little experience. Even they spend 2 days shadowing the outgoing lot to learn the ropes. This has been going on for years.

Doctors change in Feb, April, August and October. Dont hear any hoo-ha at those times?

Not my daughter's experience. She started on her first day (4 years ago) straight in at the deep end and there was no mentor.  There are more senior doctors available, obviously, but the F1's (junior house officer as they used to be known) are still dealing with many cases on their own from day 1.  However, it's not quite as bad as it sounds as they will have just completed 5 years at University with probably at least half of that time being spent in clinical and surgical environments.  And medical students don't get long breaks like other students as they spend most of the Easter, Summer and Christmas breaks working in hospitals and surgeries (my daughter was lucky if she got 2 weeks off together during Summer).

Mentoring has been piloted at some hospitals but it is certainly not carried out at most.

We don't hear of so many problems when the F1's and F2's change rotas because they have all gained valuable experience by then.

[D]

Why? Well the NHS take on 1000's of junior doctors and amazingly don't have mentoring schemes etc.

What sort of a business does that?! Someone has come up with the bright idea of mentoring and keeping an eye on these junior doctors as a number of deaths and complications are apparently attributed to this annual influx.

I'll go one further. It is a 24 hour 365 day business so staff it accordingly. Consultants rota'd in at weekends as part of their standard pay and conditions. Like other companies do.

Do you get paid to make these stories up?

Every junior doctor has a mentor. Every weekend has a consultant rota'd in, not just in August. Been that way for years.

Yes, new doctors do start in August, but it is just one level  (house officers) that are new/fresh/have very little experience. Even they spend 2 days shadowing the outgoing lot to learn the ropes. This has been going on for years.

Doctors change in Feb, April, August and October. Dont hear any hoo-ha at those times?

Not my daughter's experience. She started on her first day (4 years ago) straight in at the deep end and there was no mentor.  There are more senior doctors available, obviously, but the F1's (junior house officer as they used to be known) are still dealing with many cases on their own from day 1.  However, it's not quite as bad as it sounds as they will have just completed 5 years at University with probably at least half of that time being spent in clinical and surgical environments.  And medical students don't get long breaks like other students as they spend most of the Easter, Summer and Christmas breaks working in hospitals and surgeries (my daughter was lucky if she got 2 weeks off together during Summer).

Mentoring has been piloted at some hospitals but it is certainly not carried out at most.

We don't hear of so many problems when the F1's and F2's change rotas because they have all gained valuable experience by then.

I started as a F1/house officer in 2003, and did exactly what the so called mentoring scheme is for 5 days even back then. Admittedly I haven't worked up north or in Scotland and admittedly there are some terrible hospitals around the country. Perhaps your daughter got unlucky and worked in one of these so called hospitals. Certainly down south you would be hard pushed to find a F1 starting without at least a 2 day shadowing process. My current minions have been with us for 4 days.

Add into that they have been in active clinical posting for most if not all of their final year and have spent nearly 5 years training, what more can be realistically done to help them out? And remember it is one grade of junior doctor that is lacking experience, not the rest of the team. In my team of 5, that equate to one F1. Surely thats not bad is it?

Yes they have to see patients, but they are never asked to make a clinical decision beyond their competency level. As of 3 years ago, they were taken off all night shifts as well to reduce any risk (new or experienced).