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[Darth Loo-knee]

And so the saga continues.............

I have been so busy of late this car has had to be put in the back burner...

After having the head gaskets done etc etc etc the car was totally put back together. To find the starter motor sounding like it was just spinning, the battery was flat within a minute   so had to leave it to charge up....
Couple of days later battery was charged, car turning over but not firing then within seconds it seemed battery again flat......... so this morning fitted charged up battery again..  plugged computer in no codes. Turned it over fired up sounded great then a noise almost like a load of bolts in a tumble dryer, so turned off... what the hell was that???
So got under the car to see this





Put my finger through the round hole at the bottom of the gearbox to find these .....

[Radar]

Stone Me!

[Andy H]

I wonder what state the casting on the nose of the starter motor is in?

[feeutfo]

Hydro lock damage?

[waspy]

It's clearly from the inside out

[cem_devecioglu]

never seen such a thing.. can someone explain why this happen

[Kevin Wood]

Bit of gravel or other foreign objects in the bell housing by the look of it.

[albitz]

I wondered if they were the remains of the heads of the TC bolts ? 

[Darth Loo-knee]

I think its parts of metal from the starter motor...

[omega3000]

  looks like its been shot at .... some force to blow a hole in that

[feeutfo]

So what your saying Daz, is the head gasket failed, well and truly filled the bores with water, the car was turned over on the key as you do, but as the cylinders where full of water the engine hydro locked and couldn't turnover, thereby straining the starter motor and straining the gears until sumat broke off.
 You've now fixed the hg so the engine can turn, but the starter won't engage?

Got it turning over but the busted off bits floating around in the bell housing caught and got flung around making the noise and eventually got wedged and busted the bell housing.

So in short, the poor servicing broke the bell housing...?

[Olympia5776]

Not wishing to hi jack the thread but I couldn't agree more on the thread title.
I learned a salutary lesson last week when my Manta lost all it's coolant on a run. All my own fault for ignoring to change the coolant , flush out the system and check the AF to water ratio at the prescribed intervals . 

[Darth Loo-knee]

So what your saying Daz, is the head gasket failed, well and truly filled the bores with water, the car was turned over on the key as you do, but as the cylinders where full of water the engine hydro locked and couldn't turnover, thereby straining the starter motor and straining the gears until sumat broke off.
 You've now fixed the hg so the engine can turn, but the starter won't engage?

Got it turning over but the busted off bits floating around in the bell housing caught and got flung around making the noise and eventually got wedged and busted the bell housing.

So in short, the poor servicing broke the bell housing...?

I dont think that is far off...but... What I was told was that water was being used beyond belief, steam bellowing from the exhaust, so got home turned off the engine. The following day tried to start the car but the starter motor sounded funny.  Obviously the cylinders had been getting water in there, also the inlet valve were letting water past them to fill the inlet ports up to the sandwich plate...I could turn the engine over by hand when I got rid of the water. Head fitted and still could turn the engine over with timing constantly spot on. So completely finished. Started the car, it sounds normal. I lifted the revs slightly this is when I heard the bits of metal that were flying about inside the bell housing.. The only things in there are flex plate, torque convertor and the starter motor nose. What I am hoping is that if I remove the starter motor all will be revealed..

[bigboykarl]

you like the puzzles i send to you ,don't you...

[Darth Loo-knee]

you like the puzzles i send to you ,don't you...

They are better than Suduko but far more stressful