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[hotel21]

I maintain my controversial position that current 'recreational' drugs, of every hue, strength and variation, and kit to administer, should be free to those that want them.

If potential users don't use the brains and common sense they were born with, that's their lookout.

And yes, I do have kids. And they know my thoughts only too well.

[paul.lovejoy]

thats a whole new meaning to i am not drinking tonight i will have a coke

if all drugs were leagalised then all the do gooders could ban them to in public places

[cleggy]

I maintain my controversial position that current 'recreational' drugs, of every hue, strength and variation, and kit to administer, should be free to those that want them. If potential users don't use the brains and common sense they were born with, that's their lookout.

And yes, I do have kids. And they know my thoughts only too well.

I have to agree, people take drugs because they enjoy them, just like people drink some become alcoholics others don't. By removing the criminal aspect to all this we remove the gangsters, the funding of terrorism, and those who prey on those they supply, and guess what we raise revenue from tax and duty which could be used to help those who want to kick the habit.

The one thing I cannot condone is the discarding of needles and other paraphernailia without consideration for others, for gods sake sharps bins are free, as are needles to those who want them. It is like litter, take it home and then bin it properly  

[Kevin Wood]

The one thing I cannot condone is the discarding of needles and other paraphernailia without consideration for others, for gods sake sharps bins are free, as are needles to those who want them. It is like litter, take it home and then bin it properly

Unfortunately, we are talking about the most extreme end of people who couldn't give a damn about anybody else - just their own personal gratification. Their every breath wastes a little more oxygen.

[Rods2]

The best way to make something appealing to teenagers is to ban it. If something is legal then you largely kill the black market.

So is legalization the answer? I'm not sure.

If the war against drugs was winnable, I would say carry on the fight to the bitter end, but sadly in isn't. Likewise if the present status was proven to minimize the number of addicts, then likewise carry on the fight.

So I'm not sure what the best answer is?

Unfortunately other countries have shown (Scandinavia) that if taxes are rapidly increased on alcoholic drinks then youngsters will turn to soft drugs as a cheaper alternative. So if minimum unit pricing happens then expect more addicts. 

I hate all litter bugs of any sort. Put it in a bin or take it home and bin it. 

[mantahatch]

Perhaps theyare going to dispose of them on this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-19164973 Yes I know it is for recovering people, but all the same they could loose a few over the side.

[geoffr70]

Now were also hearing about people suffering the ill effects and/or dying after taking some of these so called legal highs!

By listening to the way they're talking about these legal highs you begin to understand that because they aren't illegal (government doesn't have time to legislate against everything, yet) they strangely think that somehow they've been given the green light to use. They then use that as an excuse/justification when their head falls off after taking it!

What the hells going on? These retards. What happened to personal responsibility? If you boil up a strange potion then drink it then die its your own bloody fault. Idiots. Why not drink petrol then, it's cheaper than vodka? The gimps.

Another thing that boils my pissis bloody free syringes for junky scum yet cancer sufferers can't get treatment.

Just stop and think about the hindrance, economically, socially, etc etc these drug using scum have on our nation. We're too bloody soft in this country. I certainly think there is a case for capital punishment. The trouble is there's too many socialist do gooding basterwards who are quick to jump to their defence, rather than a hard working, law abiding, genuine tax payer whose just had his house burgled by one of these scum.

Isn't Britain great!

[Dishevelled Den]

 What happened to personal responsibility?

That's the crucial question. 

However society decides to anoint people who decide to use these 'recreational' drugs (including prescription meds, alcohol and gambling the simplicity of this question will always defeat the pundits.

Thinking back to the many colleagues (double figures) I knew who took their own lives (by shooting, gassing or prescription meds) alcohol/excessive behaviour always played a prominent part in their decline.

Their apparent lack of personal responsibility seemed to allow the inevitable devastation that would be felt by those they left behind be the furthest thing from their minds – substance abuse, in my view, tends to promote the insularity of people who decide to march to the beat of their own drum whatever the eventual cost to either themselves, their families or to society in general.

While it is impossible to legislate fully in the quest to control the distribution and use of classified drugs, prescription medication, ‘soft’ drugs and alcohol or to regulate the availability of other stimulants such as gambling, the state must always seek to do so and act should the law be contravened.

Whatever way it’s dressed up, and irrespective of the nature of the legislation available to deal with these increasingly problematic issues - issues which are now being seen to infiltrate society across the social divide, this matter will always come down to one thing and one thing only – one of personal responsibility.

The disconnect from practical reality afforded by affluence, criminal behaviour, electronic media, stimulants, the disintegration of family life (and values) is destabilising ‘society’ in many areas of the world and self-indulgence is beginning to assume a level of importance that is both unwelcome and very worrying indeed.

[tigers_gonads]

Whats the oof defination of "sort drugs" ?

[jimac]

Whatever way it’s dressed up, and irrespective of the nature of the legislation available to deal with these increasingly problematic issues - issues which are now being seen to infiltrate society across the social divide, this matter will always come down to one thing and one thing only – one of personal responsibility.

The increasing "nannying" of the State and the growth of legislation that purports to "protect" the individual and the community will tend to reduce the sense of personal responsibility.  If something is not specifically illegal, it will be seen as being condoned - albeit passively.  People who display a high sense of personal responsibility will be viewed as being rebellious and potentially a threat to society as they will demonstrate free thinking by their actions.

George Orwell could probably have written a book about it.

[Dishevelled Den]

Whats the oof defination of "sort drugs" ?

I'm not entirely sure as there doesn't appear to be a precise legal definition of what it may be. 

In my own mind at least, any drug (used for recreational purposes or as the result of an addiction) cannot really be regarded as being 'soft' as the effect of its use alters the behaviour of the user to some extent or other - hence the inverted commas around the word, soft.

In general terms I suppose the term could be used to describe any substance (including alcohol and tobacco) not being classified as either a Class A or Class B drug under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (as amended).

[Dishevelled Den]

Whatever way it’s dressed up, and irrespective of the nature of the legislation available to deal with these increasingly problematic issues - issues which are now being seen to infiltrate society across the social divide, this matter will always come down to one thing and one thing only – one of personal responsibility.

The increasing "nannying" of the State and the growth of legislation that purports to "protect" the individual and the community will tend to reduce the sense of personal responsibility.  If something is not specifically illegal, it will be seen as being condoned - albeit passively.  People who display a high sense of personal responsibility will be viewed as being rebellious and potentially a threat to society as they will demonstrate free thinking by their actions.

George Orwell could probably have written a book about it.

George Orwell could probably have written a book about it.

Yes, he missed that boat.

The general tenor of your comments is quite valid.

The state will always have the responsibility to create an environment where the accepted norms of life can be experienced in a reasonable and ordered fashion.

People must have the freedom live their lives within the rules handed down by convention or legislation - wherever they choose to call ‘home’

In recent years the ‘state’ has determined that due to the mores of modern society, changing patterns of behaviour, security concerns and so on it must alter the long established covenant of it being there for the benefit and further development of society to become instrumental in attempting to manipulate, in a much more involved way, how people under its control live their lives.

This is a bad thing of course and, as you rightly, say those of us who tend to point out the undesirability of this new direction will always be regarded as people to be suspected of subversion and promoters of dissent by encouraging others to think in any independent manner.

In most cases that’s why during the course revolutionary upheaval the professional classes are most likely to be amongst the first casualties.

[tigers_gonads]

Geoff wrote ................ By listening to the way they're talking about these legal highs you begin to understand that because they aren't illegal (government doesn't have time to legislate against everything, yet) they strangely think that somehow they've been given the green light to use. They then use that as an excuse/justification when their head falls off after taking it!

What the hells going on? These retards. What happened to personal responsibility? If you boil up a strange potion then drink it then die its your own bloody fault. Idiots. Why not drink petrol then, it's cheaper than vodka? The gimps.

Another thing that boils my pissis bloody free syringes for junky scum yet cancer sufferers can't get treatment.

Agree 100% with all that 


Jimac wrote ................ The increasing "nannying" of the State and the growth of legislation that purports to "protect" the individual and the community will tend to reduce the sense of personal responsibility.  If something is not specifically illegal, it will be seen as being condoned - albeit passively.  People who display a high sense of personal responsibility will be viewed as being rebellious and potentially a threat to society as they will demonstrate free thinking by their actions.

Agree 100% 

Problem is what is a soft drug ?
Are we talking about a couple sat in the garden on a night, chilling out while having a joint ?

Do you make legal drugs like Speed or "downers" or acid  ?

There is enough violence in the citys without having to tackle some tosser who is out of his scull on speed and all he wants to do is take the world on.

At the end of the day, freedom should come with ground rules that should be drummed into kids sculls when they are young by decient parents.
Sandy, most of todays parents have not got a clue and so society carry's on on its slippery slope ............. downwards 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Personally I really don't care what people do behind closed doors....    It's when their actions and behaviour affects the community around them, that the problems start...   ie alot of crime is caused by heroin addicts trying to fund their habits! 

Successive governments soft glove approach is largely to blame and in my opinion addicts who are brought before the courts should be sentenced to immediate 'Cold Turkey' treatment in addition to whatever sentence they get for the crime they committed.... 

I believe however that forcing criminals to undergo 'Cold Turkey' in prisons, has now been banned under Human Rights laws and they are supplied with methadone instead!!! 

[cleggy]

Personally I really don't care what people do behind closed doors....    It's when their actions and behaviour affects the community around them, that the problems start...   ie alot of crime is caused by heroin addicts trying to fund their habits! 

Successive governments soft glove approach is largely to blame and in my opinion addicts who are brought before the courts should be sentenced to immediate 'Cold Turkey' treatment in addition to whatever sentence they get for the crime they committed.... 

I believe however that forcing criminals to undergo 'Cold Turkey' in prisons, has now been banned under Human Rights laws and supplied with methadonethey are  instead!!! 

Drugs are freely available in prison and I reckon that a blind eye is turned because it keeps the inmates quitet. Just ask yourself how it all gets in, well not smugled in by visitors, or a ball over the wall I would suggest someone who works there . Nobodys arse is big enough to get in the amount used