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[Rods2]

I thought the last bunch of socialists Government were the worst I had ever known for crony capitalism, nepotism and corruption. But this current bunch of socialists Government are ten times worst. Why is Green, Eco and and massive blatant corruption okay to the BBC and Guardian when if it was defense contracts being issued on this basis they would be screaming for the hills and every rooftop. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9498568/The-tangled-tale-of-Lord-Deben-and-a-dodgy-Severn-barrage.html

As for John Scummer and Dim Yeo, their heads are deep in the trough along with all of the other bottom feeders. 

This Labour / EU inspired, ConDems embraced energy policy scandal will kill what is left of industry in this country due to energy costs and carbon trading scams. They will move to cheaper climates JLR will end up moving to India? Rolls Royce US/South Korea? leaving this country with a load of useless windmills and tidal barrages with an unemployed, cold, starving population. 

Time to end this lunacy, vote UKIP.

[OOMV6]

Corruption happens at every level of politics and business, both private and public sector, and voting for another party is sure to be a good solution. In the short term only.
Furthermore, depending on which side of the political fence a particular media falls on, this will dictate 100% how a story is delivered. Not saying the article is not true, but face the reality that corruption, caused by greed and the need for power, exists at every level. So yes, vote UKIP, and be happy for a year or 2. It is better than continuing to be unhappy, I suppose. Then when UKIP start their games, vote in another party

[Nickbat]

Gummer and Yeo are scum.

There. I've said it. 

[albitz]

We knew what type of character Gummer was when he force fed his daughter a burger in front of th cameras to demonstrate that beef was safe to eat.
Yeo is an MP in this neck of the woods and is wellknown for looking after his own interests and no-one elses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VAyCXKmPGM

[SIR Philbutt]

Corruption happens at every level of politics and business, both private and public sector, and voting for another party is sure to be a good solution. In the short term only.
Furthermore, depending on which side of the political fence a particular media falls on, this will dictate 100% how a story is delivered. Not saying the article is not true, but face the reality that corruption, caused by greed and the need for power, exists at every level. So yes, vote UKIP, and be happy for a year or 2. It is better than continuing to be unhappy, I suppose. Then when UKIP start their games, vote in another party

OOM this is quite a strong statement. This is to say that there is no way out for the voting public or anyone. Whoever has, is and will be in power will be corrupt or corrupted and will never act for the people only for themselves.

The possible solution to this is anarchy and revolution, which by this statement will only in the end lead to further corruption.

Has there ever been a time or place or creed when this has not been the case ?

Are we as a race then doomed for perpetuity  .

Press the big red button and let nature take it's course. 

Rods, Nickbat and DD I have read with interest your various posts and replies on different subjects and yield to your knowledge and intellect as to what the solution is   

I add this to generate healthy discussion

[feeutfo]

Corruption happens at every level of politics and business, both private and public sector, and voting for another party is sure to be a good solution. In the short term only.
Furthermore, depending on which side of the political fence a particular media falls on, this will dictate 100% how a story is delivered. Not saying the article is not true, but face the reality that corruption, caused by greed and the need for power, exists at every level. So yes, vote UKIP, and be happy for a year or 2. It is better than continuing to be unhappy, I suppose. Then when UKIP start their games, vote in another party

...and so the cycle goes on... Not only the political cycle, but the endless misery that comes with the "is this news" story's surrounding it. What a mire polotics is, endless derision to those that tirelessly seek it out. A web of paranoia, insecurity and hopelessness blown out if all proportion.

Although its a vald point, and if anyone's remotely interested, one I agree with. How can one not agree.
As with every point of view, there's always another opposing one. Obviously. Both usually ignoring selected facts in order to justify an outcome.

Ignoring the facts is at the most nasic level corruption itself. Facts in themselves are completely useless to polotics existence. As there is no way to twist facts to suit ones self, if one is honest. Therefor they are ignored at the outset. This means polotics is the very essence of corruption. The bedrock. The foundation. The very most basic form of human existence. What cant's they are.

As for that ukip idiot, while he may have a valid point in various places, he's spoken as much bs as that idiot with no wheel nuts posted elsewhere on here.

Vote for who you like. It will make no odds to corruption or anything else. Pass the rope when your done.

[Rods2]

Agree with what you have said.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

But we British used to be able to be so much more subtle with our corruption. Now they seem to behave with all the subtly of the French.

I personally think this country is getting more corrupt and that is reflected in where we are dropping in the corruption index, but we still have a way to go to catch up with the Ukraine.

Personally, I think politicians should be on performance related pay and deferred pensions, like the latest banking regulations. Each manifesto measure would carry a pay reward, so if they didn't implement any of their manifesto they wouldn't get paid. That would concentrate minds on what they will con the electorate with for their vote. Pensions would depend upon a freedom index, PPP, crime rate, government debt and deficits, military security index and a health and lifespan index. Crony capitalism, nepotism and corruption would all hit their pensions badly through the countries poor performance as a result.

[feeutfo]

Rods, IMO, Billy Connolly said it right. The very desire to be a politician should ban you for life from ever being one... And if that's taken through to some sort of logical outcome, we might stand a chance.

Basing a country on a system dependent on liers, and who can lie the best, well...

...what can that achieve? What can threads like this achieve for that matter. Especially on here...?  However valid the subject.

[SIR Philbutt]

.......

Personally, I think politicians should be on performance related pay and deferred pensions, like the latest banking regulations. Each manifesto measure would carry a pay reward, so if they didn't implement any of their manifesto they wouldn't get paid. That would concentrate minds on what they will con the electorate with for their vote. Pensions would depend upon a freedom index, PPP, crime rate, government debt and deficits, military security index and a health and lifespan index. Crony capitalism, nepotism and corruption would all hit their pensions badly through the countries poor performance as a result.

But would that not need the corrupt to implement anti corruption policies such as this against their own corruption

.........
...what can that achieve? What can threads like this achieve for that matter. Especially on here...?  However valid the subject.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men (people) do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

Healthy discussion, the exchange of ideas and the awareness of any group of good people, not matter how small, must maintain or increase the momentum to eventually effect change 

or are we already defeated 

[feeutfo]

Here ya go, take the stairs on the way out.

[omega3000]

Here ya go, take the stairs on the way out.

Pass the rope when your done. 

 

[Kevin Wood]

I reckon we should ban MPs from having any outside business interests or income during their time in office.

Let them have their £65K salary and operate a proper, accountable expenses scheme not an open trough (that's a good wage by most people's standards) and require them to be present in either parliament or their constituency office from 9 to 5 every working day.

No doubt there would be cries that we wouldn't "attract the right calibre" of person if they couldn't earn another couple of hundred grand on the side. To the contrary, I think we'd attract people interested in serving the people rather than themselves.

[Dishevelled Den]

.....//Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.......


.....I personally think this country is getting more corrupt//.....

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely

An inconvenient truth (sadly) and because of that, the human race can never rise to be all that it should be - we fall victims to our own basic failings of self-interest and self indulgence.

I personally think this country is getting more corrupt

Yes I think that's right - and it being so, has led (not surprisingly) to the alarming degeneration of standards now being witnessed in public representatives and in national institutions. 

We, as individuals, are beginning to reap what has been sown by way of our indifference to self-discipline and the lack of regard for our fellow travellers to eventually inherit the government and public bodies we deserve.

To change this will require such a shift in how we – as a society -  view our reason for being if there is ever to be a safe course chosen through the coming difficulties:  Given the current woes of this country (and indeed the world), it may well be all but impossible.