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[TheBoy]

In real terms there is nothing between them on the road The 3.0 is slightly more economical but the 3.2 is easier to work on and, obviously, newer and far superior

Surely the one thats slightly quicker, noticibly more economical, and a smaller capacity must be the superior one

In standard trim, on the road, there is nothing between them, as tested a few times but most memorably (for me) on a trip from Alton to Aldershot for a certain meet where I spent the previous night enjoying that Mr Woods' "Magic Cupboard" and we left a little late That was a F/L Saloon and a M/F/L Saloon

And the F/L is superior... Just admit it

And said mileages of the 2 cars involved? And which was more economical?

We both know, paint finish issues aside, the PFL is far better built, and doesn't look like an Astra.

[Webby the Bear]

i think racing or maxing/harsh accelerating the omega would be the least interesting thing to do.

stick it in ''D'', sit back and relax

[OmegaAnglesey]

i think racing or maxing/harsh accelerating the omega would be the least interesting thing to do.

stick it in ''D'', sit back and relax

+1 Agreed... In till you find yourself with a fart in front then press S and fly 

[Lazydocker]

In real terms there is nothing between them on the road The 3.0 is slightly more economical but the 3.2 is easier to work on and, obviously, newer and far superior

Surely the one thats slightly quicker, noticibly more economical, and a smaller capacity must be the superior one

In standard trim, on the road, there is nothing between them, as tested a few times but most memorably (for me) on a trip from Alton to Aldershot for a certain meet where I spent the previous night enjoying that Mr Woods' "Magic Cupboard" and we left a little late That was a F/L Saloon and a M/F/L Saloon

And the F/L is superior... Just admit it

And said mileages of the 2 cars involved? And which was more economical?

We both know, paint finish issues aside, the PFL is far better built, and doesn't look like an Astra.

165k (ish) on the MFL, mine, and whatever was on Kev's car

As for other things... I will admit that the MFL interior is harder wearing but too "retro" for me and, as you well know, externally the inferior PFL rusts away quicker than you can change the doors

Anyway, sorry to the OP for hijacking the thread with an ongoing discussion... As said, 3.0 is slightly more economical but in real terms there is nothing between them on the road. Pick the best car I s'pose

[Jabe]

The thread has been ever so informative. Lol.

I've seen plenty of facelifted 2000-2001 cars outside of Europe equipped with PFL engines. Are these the MFL models?

[feeutfo]

Iirc there have been some comparisons between one of my old 3.2's, and a certain Groomer admins 3.0 and there was indeed no difference at all. No?


Cough<Except the far inferior 3.0 has been chipped>cough

[Mr Skrunts]

Dunno what the weight differce is but I have a 2.5 GLS with 65k on the clock and an Elite 3.0 with 99k on the clock, both 1999 auto saloons, never timed them but looking at the quoted figures of 9.5 secs and 9.0 secs then that explains why the 2.5 feels nearly quick if not the same 0 - 60 as the 3.0 (mind you that was with a straight thru rear box) 

[albitz]

In real terms there is nothing between them on the road The 3.0 is slightly more economical but the 3.2 is easier to work on and, obviously, newer and far superior

Surely the one thats slightly quicker, noticibly more economical, and a smaller capacity must be the superior one

I can remember a certain admin,when supporting the Omega over the Senator during the debate,saying that the Sennie was good in its day,but the Omega is a development/update/step forward etc. so therefore had to be better. Logic says the same argument applies to the facelift v m/fl ? 
Btw,if the m/fl interior is better than the facelift,for me the Senny interior was better still.
Theres no denying tbh,that the quality of the facelift interior would be a disgrace in a small malaysian hatchback.In a luxury european saloon its fackin outrageous.

[kcl]

The thread has been ever so informative. Lol.

I've seen plenty of facelifted 2000-2001 cars outside of Europe equipped with PFL engines. Are these the MFL models?

No such thing as pre-facelift engine. 2,5 and 3,0 were available in PFL, MFL and FL until MY2001 when the 2,6 and 3,2 were introduced. Not sure about four pots and diseasals as Opel and Vauxhall had different policies in them.

[markrnorton]

Are the torque curves significantly different between the 3.0 and 3.2 ?

[robnobrakes]

We also have a 3.0 Elite Auto and MV6 3.2 Auto.  The MV6 is definately smarter off the mark and more responsive everywhere to the extend that when my wife drives the 3.0 Elite, she askes me 'where's the engine'  .  Steering and handling is more sports saloon on the MV6, luxury limo in the Elite.  In fact, MV6 is a completely different driving experience as far as we are concerned.  I'm impressed with both cars.  Pre-facelift is much better looking of course 

[Lazydocker]

We also have a 3.0 Elite Auto and MV6 3.2 Auto.  The MV6 is definately smarter off the mark and more responsive everywhere to the extend that when my wife drives the 3.0 Elite, she askes me 'where's the engine'  .  Steering and handling is more sports saloon on the MV6, luxury limo in the Elite.  In fact, MV6 is a completely different driving experience as far as we are concerned.  I'm impressed with both cars.  Pre-facelift is much better looking of course 

You are comparing different suspensions set ups there though

[TheBoy]

Iirc there have been some comparisons between one of my old 3.2's, and a certain Groomer admins 3.0 and there was indeed no difference at all. No?


Cough<Except the far inferior 3.0 has been chipped>cough

<cough>And had about 100k more on it<cough>.  The poor ol' girl has had a hard life

I suspect the chip, in reality, has just gathered back all the lost GeeGees 

[TheBoy]

We also have a 3.0 Elite Auto and MV6 3.2 Auto.  The MV6 is definately smarter off the mark and more responsive everywhere to the extend that when my wife drives the 3.0 Elite, she askes me 'where's the engine'  .  Steering and handling is more sports saloon on the MV6, luxury limo in the Elite.  In fact, MV6 is a completely different driving experience as far as we are concerned.  I'm impressed with both cars.  Pre-facelift is much better looking of course 

The DBW engines do give that initial surge that catches out the those more used to the more linear response of the non DBW.

The Elites have suspension that more tuned to smooth motorway cruising, than being able to change direction. MV6 is an excellent compromise IMHO.

I agree, PFL far prettier, inside and out.

[05omegav6]

In real terms there is nothing between them on the road The 3.0 is slightly more economical but the 3.2 is easier to work on and, obviously, newer and far superior

Surely the one thats slightly quicker, noticibly more economical, and a smaller capacity must be the superior one

Never played Top Trumps then

In real terms there is nothing between them on the road The 3.0 is slightly more economical but the 3.2 is easier to work on and, obviously, newer and far superior

Surely the one thats slightly quicker, noticibly more economical, and a smaller capacity must be the superior one

I can remember a certain admin,when supporting the Omega over the Senator during the debate,saying that the Sennie was good in its day,but the Omega is a development/update/step forward etc. so therefore had to be better. Logic says the same argument applies to the facelift v m/fl ? 
Btw,if the m/fl interior is better than the facelift,for me the Senny interior was better still.
Theres no denying tbh,that the quality of the facelift interior would be a disgrace in a small malaysian hatchback.In a luxury european saloon its fackin outrageous.

Fair's fair Albs, at least GM tried to cover the plastic with something, hovever inept an attempt it was

Todays grot boxes are all airfix grey inside with no effort at all showing

Besides you can buy a perfectly good Omega of any age for less than a 10% deposit on an new fwd grot box, and can readily tidy the trims for less time/cash/effort than would be used to hide your face from the shame of driving said grot box