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[Marks DTM Calib]

but Mark et al,  you don't understand these public sector workers have such stressful jobs that they need to be able to retire at 60 onto cushy final salary pension schemes. Those of us living the high life in the real world should be happy to work for as long as it takes to fund them.

Pay rise sir?  We'll just hike national insurance to pay for it - noone will notice...
 

Sounds familiar!

[theowletman]

The easy answer is to join a larger union , Unison & TGWU covers about every damn job going , the problem arrises in getting management to recognise it , but if you get enough people signed up they might just have too .
If i had,nt had a rise for 5 years i would be either 1.) getting well enough paid that i did,nt bother !! , or 2.) getting a new job !!

It is also a major factor in the success of the unions who represent public sector workers that their members contributions keep the labour party going, couldn't be corrupt in any way could it ? Surely not.

[AllyM]

Public sector workers have the option to say if they want their contributions to go to a polital party or not !!
Maybe civil servants ( police , et.c.) have the option to retire on final salaries , but council workers in their " cushy jobs " can,t afford on their £5.81 and hour to retire at 65 ( given the option to stay on working , go part time for 20 hours , or retire ) , maybe people should find out a few truths before they go shouting their mouths off !!!

[theowletman]

Public sector workers have the option to say if they want their contributions to go to a polital party or not !!
Maybe civil servants ( police , et.c.) have the option to retire on final salaries , but council workers in their " cushy jobs " can,t afford on their £5.81 and hour to retire at 65 ( given the option to stay on working , go part time for 20 hours , or retire ) , maybe people should find out a few truths before they go shouting their mouths off !!!

Steady on AllyM, it was you who mentioned the unions. As a member of the general public I feel I am well placed to make my views known, freedom of speech etc. We all know that not every public sector worker out there earns a small fortune, but what we are moaning about is the massive rise in direct and indirect taxation and the subsequent drop in services we receive in exchange. If all public services were twice as good and we could see some return for all the extra taxation there would be few complaints. But with Council Tax doubling over 10 years we should be receiving the best services in Europe, not the worst, minimal winter road treatment, closing of sheltered homes for the elderly, potholed roads, fortnightly bin collections etc, no wonder we complain.

[AllyM]

Everyone has the right to air their views !! , everyone has the right of an opinion !! , everyone has the right to complain !! , but even council workers are entitled to a decent standard of living !! , at present i am on 14 hour shifts to try and make a decent wage , that,s all wrong !! , and as for teachers , as much as i think they are overpaid , too much holidays , et.c. , i still would,nt do there job !!

[JiMbOb789]

my son goes to patchway high school and he's off school thursday