Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[waspy]

What do you think to this

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/60598/new-car-sales-tax-proposed?DCMP=NLC-Newsletters&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter

[05omegav6]

Good job the Omegas aren't new, that would be about £8k please although we would save £260 a year in road  tax so would only need to keep our cars for 35 years to break even

Would make a bit more sense if fuel duty was scrapped as well

[flyer 0712]

Does that mean that all older cars already registered no matter what the emissions are will still stay on the tax disc system and all new cars only will be charged on this new system

[Rods2]

They have left it a bit late for stupid media stories, August is the month for that and it is a bit early for April 1st. 

This has got about as much chance of flying as Dodo. Car manufacturers and their lobbying groups would never allow it as it would hit car sales far too hard.

And what would happen if as you drove out of the showroom, you wrote the car off, would it have to be paid again, when you got your new car? 

Now if it was an up front charge for a new car's lifetime warranty, £23,000 sounds about right for a French car. 

[twiglet]

Does that mean that all older cars already registered no matter what the emissions are will still stay on the tax disc system and all new cars only will be charged on this new system

I suspect this would have to be the case, in the same way that the current vehicle excise duty system is tiered for pre-2001 vehicles, 2001-2006 vehicles, and post-2006 vehicles.

So all the administration and enforcement costs of the current system would remain, and there would be additional costs for the system on new cars... bonkers!! 

They should have abolished this entire system years ago and put the tax on fuel... oh hang on a minute, they did the last part anyway! 

[OOMV6]

Does that mean that all older cars already registered no matter what the emissions are will still stay on the tax disc system and all new cars only will be charged on this new system

I suspect this would have to be the case, in the same way that the current vehicle excise duty system is tiered for pre-2001 vehicles, 2001-2006 vehicles, and post-2006 vehicles.

So all the administration and enforcement costs of the current system would remain, and there would be additional costs for the system on new cars... bonkers!! 

They should have abolished this entire system years ago and put the tax on fuel... oh hang on a minute, they did the last part anyway! 

Exactly. Charge everybody for what they use. The more you use the road the more you pay.

[waspy]

Does that mean that all older cars already registered no matter what the emissions are will still stay on the tax disc system and all new cars only will be charged on this new system

I suspect this would have to be the case, in the same way that the current vehicle excise duty system is tiered for pre-2001 vehicles, 2001-2006 vehicles, and post-2006 vehicles.

So all the administration and enforcement costs of the current system would remain, and there would be additional costs for the system on new cars... bonkers!! 

They should have abolished this entire system years ago and put the tax on fuel... oh hang on a minute, they did the last part anyway! 

Exactly. Charge everybody for what they use. The more you use the road the more you pay.

This would be a much fairer way, but whilst ever they have their heads up their arses

[aaronjb]

Does that mean that all older cars already registered no matter what the emissions are will still stay on the tax disc system and all new cars only will be charged on this new system

I suspect this would have to be the case, in the same way that the current vehicle excise duty system is tiered for pre-2001 vehicles, 2001-2006 vehicles, and post-2006 vehicles.

So all the administration and enforcement costs of the current system would remain, and there would be additional costs for the system on new cars... bonkers!! 

They should have abolished this entire system years ago and put the tax on fuel... oh hang on a minute, they did the last part anyway! 

What was that about tax on fuel? Ah yes, here's an excerpt of a reply someone on another forum received from their local MP when they asked about fuel prices:

Turning to your comments on fuel duty, you will hopefully have been pleased by the Chancellor’s scrapping of August’s scheduled rise in fuel duty, freezing it for the rest of the year. This means that fuel duty will actually be 10p per litre lower than was planned by the previous Labour government and will not have risen for three years since the last increase under Labour.

This will provide relief for motorists, despite the wider cost to the government of £550million, which will of course have to be paid by taxpayers at some point. Indeed I stand by my position that cuts and delays to duty cannot continue to be made indefinitely. The fact is that at some point we will all have to move away from our dependence on foreign oil. Planning for that now is the responsible thing to do.

Looking to the future we are also moving ahead with the commitment in the coalition agreement to bring in a national recharging network for electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles, in order to make electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles a realistic alternative

The rest of the response goes on to say how unfair it is to train and bus users that cars have seen a 'drop' in taxation. And apparently the answer to this godsend drop in taxes we're all feeling (er, really?) is that £550million is going to come out of some other tax avenue (surprise surprise) and the ultimate answer is we all drive electric cars powered by fairy dust..

I try not to think about it, or I might start stockpiling barrels and gunpowder.

[tunnie]

Like the idea, but would new car sales not fall, second hand buys becoming even more popular?

Also bet there will be a charge for older cars, can't see government letting every current car on the road off the hook!

[Kevin Wood]

Does that mean that all older cars already registered no matter what the emissions are will still stay on the tax disc system and all new cars only will be charged on this new system

I suspect this would have to be the case, in the same way that the current vehicle excise duty system is tiered for pre-2001 vehicles, 2001-2006 vehicles, and post-2006 vehicles.

So all the administration and enforcement costs of the current system would remain, and there would be additional costs for the system on new cars... bonkers!! 

They should have abolished this entire system years ago and put the tax on fuel... oh hang on a minute, they did the last part anyway! 

What was that about tax on fuel? Ah yes, here's an excerpt of a reply someone on another forum received from their local MP when they asked about fuel prices:

Turning to your comments on fuel duty, you will hopefully have been pleased by the Chancellor’s scrapping of August’s scheduled rise in fuel duty, freezing it for the rest of the year. This means that fuel duty will actually be 10p per litre lower than was planned by the previous Labour government and will not have risen for three years since the last increase under Labour.

This will provide relief for motorists, despite the wider cost to the government of £550million, which will of course have to be paid by taxpayers at some point. Indeed I stand by my position that cuts and delays to duty cannot continue to be made indefinitely. The fact is that at some point we will all have to move away from our dependence on foreign oil. Planning for that now is the responsible thing to do.

Looking to the future we are also moving ahead with the commitment in the coalition agreement to bring in a national recharging network for electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles, in order to make electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles a realistic alternative

The rest of the response goes on to say how unfair it is to train and bus users that cars have seen a 'drop' in taxation. And apparently the answer to this godsend drop in taxes we're all feeling (er, really?) is that £550million is going to come out of some other tax avenue (surprise surprise) and the ultimate answer is we all drive electric cars powered by fairy dust..

I try not to think about it, or I might start stockpiling barrels and gunpowder.

Yep, that's "relief" or a "drop in taxation" : we promised to break you over and then we didn't quite as badly.

So, how will we generate this leccy for the charging points? Windmills? - no, it'll be something that works like a dependency on foreign coal.

Why do we elect, and pay for, these cretins?

Oops! there goes that vein on my forehead again.

[Del Boy]

Absolutely terrible idea.

[PhilRich]

Tim Leunig, is that pronounced 'loony'? I believe the Government Think Tank has more leaks than a seive!

[ted_one]

Why is it that the motorist in this country seems to be used as a scapegoat for the universal problem of atmospheric pollution/climate change blah blah! The problem is worlwide and you only need to look at something like the Top Gear specials and look at countries like India to see that they don't give a toss about the rest of the world and I'm pretty sure any of the other developing countries appear much the same. This is purely another exercise in how much our corrupt politicians can trouser to make sure that they can live the lifestyle that they try to deny the rest of us 'Plebs'....going to leave it there as I'm off to my anger management class now.