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Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« on: 07 October 2012, 07:09:17 »

This will no doubt be a controversial subject but my question is based on many many years of following his career and many involvements in his charity work. I am angry that they have had the gall to attempt to destroy the memory of a selfless man.
My question is simply this:
Why are these allegations being made after his death without any substantiating evidence other than a word of mouth by persons who remain to be, and more than likely were at the time of the alleged offences, not what you call pretty by any meaning of the word?
I have personally witnessed many times the young, slim very pretty things that attached themselves to his arm and no doubt had some form of relationship with him with their full permission and consent. For someone who was constantly under the public eye it baffles me how this could happen without being reported before. Strangely no reports were ever seen about anything untoward then. It is only now when he is deceased that the (stay away from a mirror) lip flappers who no doubt seek publicity crawl out of the woodwork to attack his reputation and memory.
One thing I did notice during their pathetic TV inteviews was that they committed the act of repeatedly looking down and to their left while making their statements to the interviewer. That act in body language indicates an extremely high probablitity of the person not telling the truth! They look directly at the camera until they make their allegation and immediately look down to the left before raising their eyes again at the end of the allegation.
One look at those who have generated this outcry gives me the belief that they are all seeking their five minutes fame, their ill deserved monetary payments by the low qaulity and repuitation press who only seek to improve their readership numbers and having their unpleasant faces and figures seen by all. All I have is pity for those who are so sad that they feel the need to stoop to the level of insulting the dead who cannot defend themselves and the memories that their still grieving families hold of them.
I have stopped short of the more accurate facial and bodily description of those who have made the allegations in case I were banned for making my point.
Waiting now for the outcry...........but my viewpoint will not change without absolute concrete irrefutable proof of some form of DNA evidence!
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #1 on: 07 October 2012, 07:30:50 »

I did not watch the program. I felt it was so distasteful to assasinate the credibility of a person who was not able to defend himself. Another case of the gutter press trying to wave their tacky flag.
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #2 on: 07 October 2012, 09:29:02 »

I did not watch the program. I felt it was so distasteful to assasinate the credibility of a person who was not able to defend himself. Another case of the gutter press trying to wave their tacky flag.
i agree with you . why didn't they come out with it when he was alive :y :y
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #3 on: 07 October 2012, 09:37:46 »

Wrong choice of words.
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #4 on: 07 October 2012, 10:30:48 »

I agree that the allegations warrant investigation by the police, but not to the media circus.

A story of great "public interest" with the victim / accused no longer able to defend himself (or sue) is manna from heaven to the gutter press, of course. :(
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #5 on: 07 October 2012, 11:03:48 »

I didn't see the program either, but as I understand it, some of the alleged incidents were reported to the police five years ago :-\

Why nothing was said or done then is a matter for speculation. Either there was a lack of evidence or the incidents were swept under the carpet... the net result was the same :-\

The current circus is nothing compared to what might have happened had these allegations been made public whilst he was still alive. Now he's no longer with us he cannot defend himself, but if the allegations bare any truth to the then what he did was indefensible anyway :-\,  equally these allegations should not detract in anyway from his unfaltering devotion to the numerous charities that he worked tirelessly for.
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #6 on: 07 October 2012, 11:13:38 »


My question is simply this:
Why are these allegations being made after his death without any substantiating evidence other than a word of mouth by persons who remain to be, and more than likely were at the time of the alleged offences, not what you call pretty by any meaning of the word?

It is only now when he is deceased that the (stay away from a mirror) lip flappers who no doubt seek publicity crawl out of the woodwork to attack his reputation and memory..........

One look at those who have generated this outcry gives me the belief that they are all seeking their five minutes fame, their ill deserved monetary payments by the low qaulity and repuitation press who only seek to improve their readership numbers and having their unpleasant faces and figures seen by all.........

I have stopped short of the more accurate facial and bodily description of those who have made the allegations in case I were banned for making my point.

I didn't watch this program but I'm starting to get the impression from the OP that all of the accusers are facially challenged.  ;) 
Not that I'm suggesting that ugly people don't get a fair hearing you understand.   ;) ;) :y :y
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #7 on: 07 October 2012, 11:16:12 »

Pointless charade in my opinion. What are the powers that be going to do if the allegations hold water?

How exactly will they punish "Old Jim?"











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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #8 on: 07 October 2012, 11:23:30 »

By tarnishing his reputation, which by virtue of allegation, has already happened  :'(
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #9 on: 07 October 2012, 12:02:30 »

I have perceived this as the media sensationalising someone high profile to boost viewing/reader numbers. Then others jumping on the bandwagon to promote their own exposure or fame

To look at it from one perspective.
Throughout time the has been exploitation in varying degree's, slavery, serfdom, child labour, etc, etc. As this has been recognised as unacceptable, society has sought to correct this. At some point in time our society set an age limit on sexual consent and implemented laws to protect from exploitation. The problem is that this is not consistent across all societies and there has been a culture of overlooking infringement, in certain instances.  >:(

In this instance it is young girls caught up in the celebrity lime light and their vulnerability exploited. What happend back in the sixties and seventies you could say was overlooked and deemed as normal and acceptable. The eighties and nineties did see a change in opinion and was more rigorously pursued and exposed. So did this individual carry on with his "exploits" throughout this later period. This would appear , so far, not to be the case.

In very recent times OUR respective protective agencies have "overlooked" the exploitation of vulnerable, under aged, individuals here in Rochdale and in South Yorkshire. These oversight's being carried out for more insidious reasons than a celebrities position or fund raising.  (and there is more of this yet to come out). In this instance should those agencies, and the individuals involved, be vilified and considered for prosecution as are the controllers of the media at the time.

OR as is usual would a review and change in procedures with better training be implemented   :o :o :o ???

Is it right that we are informed and allowed form our own opinions?, YES, and should never be stopped
Is it right for the law to be ignored for certain individuals or creeds?  NO, NO, NO and one more time NO

As a footnote these would be UK law's brought about with the consensus of UK society and not one's imposed on us by other societies  ::) :-X
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #10 on: 07 October 2012, 12:45:13 »

I dont think nay objective person could now claim he didnt do what the press are saying he did.Fellow DJ,s from the time have said they witnessed him doing things with young girls,they have also said it was an open secret within the BBC what he was and what he did,and his own nephew has now revealed that uncle Jim used to take him to paedo orgies in London where the very young kids were supplied to the rich & powereful by a priest.
The nephew says he was never abused himself,but was used as a playmate,companion for the youngs kids who were.
Its a shame hes not still alive imo,as if he was we could gas him like a sick mixy rabbit.
The story has moved on however from just being about Saville. Its now starting too look like there was a culture of it at the BBC at the time,and the management chose to turn a blind eye to the whole thing.That could turn out to be the really explosive part of the story,depending on just how much is unearthed the further they dig.
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #11 on: 07 October 2012, 12:52:33 »

I so wish this had come to light while he was alive. Then the sick bastard would have got his just desserts and the fawning, affected bunch of sycophants that hung on his coat tails would have had to crawl back under their stones.
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #12 on: 07 October 2012, 12:57:21 »

Yep. :y
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #13 on: 07 October 2012, 15:24:04 »

By tarnishing his reputation, which by virtue of allegation, has already happened  :'(

But will he care?
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #14 on: 07 October 2012, 16:54:27 »

I think the BBC will live to regret the day they ruled out a full internal or even better external inquiry. Much more long term damage was done to the Catholic church through their complicity when they knew what was going on and their continued  evasion and obstruction of justice, till very often the priest who was at the centre of these allegations died.

I think the covering up and / or the brushing over of such allegations means that the the individuals involved be it the BBC, the state and their officials or anyone else are then complicit to these awful crimes. The slime who commit these crimes should never be allowed to get away with this disgusting and repulsive behaviour by hiding behind fame, religion, position or anything else.

The fact we can't and won't protect young children is a damning inditement of what I consider a very sick UK society, which is tarnishing further the UK's very low international reputation.

Belgium still carries that burden of guilt around its neck for the big known about pedophile rings that for 20 years were ignored. Belgium is still famous for that and also its chocolate.

Personally, I don't care about Jimmy Savile or his reputation, if the allegations are true, and to me I think they are with the amount of evidence coming to light, including his own autobiography or that of any other person that carries out such repulsive disgusting crimes.

The only people I care about are the victims and the devastating impact it has on their lives for ALL of their life. I think you will find many of the victims felt they would never be believed as it seems to be par for the course that these revolting abusers will make that quite clear as part of the abuse process that by telling anybody their lives will get much, much worse. Remember, anybody who has been a victim of abuse has to carry the memories and guilt and problems this causes around with them for ALL of their lives. Many abuse victims have drug and alcohol abuse problems and have difficulty in trusting anybody and forming normal relationships with very often long term depression and mental illnesses as a result. :'( :'( :'(
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