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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #30 on: 09 October 2012, 22:23:40 »

Met police now say saville was a predatory sex offender spanning 40 years (only 40 surely that will be revised in due course).Hopefully this will be the start of the process to strip him of his 'honours' and get some form of justice for his victims and expose all the others complicit in this cover up and responsible for forcing themselves on vulnerable children.Be interesting to see just how long the Vatican will remain silent and if they are honest enough to strip him of his Papal knighthood ?

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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #31 on: 10 October 2012, 00:07:36 »

The sad thing about all this is that we only ever see the very tip of the iceberg in child abuse.

It is rife in society. The "trusted baby sitter", the church, boys clubs, fathers, brothers etc etc Always has been. The perpetrators are very very cunning and put the guilt on the little ones ensuring they don't speak out.

personal family experiences multiplied by society equals a lot. It is happening in your street.

agree whole heartedly ........

Whilst some of this may be true.....there are milions and millions of us out there who are not child molesters, etc etc. I love my grandchildren to bits and would not harm or touch them in any way. Its this poncy world full of do gooders that try to make people like me 'sinners' because the grandchildren want 'to have a bath with Grampy' etc. When they asked the question, I said to swmbo 'what do you reckon'...she said 'keep your pants on'. When my daughter in law was told, she could not stop laughing.....but the do gooders would have us up in court >:(

If Jimmy Saville or any other, dead or alive, is proven do have done these things, then they should suffer whatever consequenses follow.
The church (which I have no time for) as the so called 'Leaders of Humanity' are disgraceful when it comes to harbouring their own.
Why is it, that when people become rich and famous, they think they have the right to do whatever they want...child molesting, drugs, behaving like animals...its a sick, sick sick world

post cutting short before I really go off on one......sorry
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #32 on: 10 October 2012, 05:09:59 »

Nice one terbert..
Only one problem I have......It would not be the first time that the so called infallible MET have been wrong would it? And why WHY has it taken 40 years to bring it to the light because there surely must have been many reports if Jimmy was the monster he is now portrayed to have been? If it is true then it shows that the MET are incompetent or were covering up the crime. Which will it be because it is either one or the other! Sorry, but I would need to be able to see photographic evidence (private parts hidden) at the very least because I do not believe for one instant that all of the allegations are true and very doubtful with the others. Who in hell would want to molest an ugly.............and from the pictures seen that is proof enough for me at thgis time. A few moments of fame in the public eye and no doubt a book to follow to raise a bit of extra cash.

As for the church of whatever calling I fully agree. In my view simply because there has never, ever been any proof that was scientifically founded it is mere support network for the weak willed and of low self esteem. The criminals of the matter are those who lead the churches/religions and derive a high standard of living from it! Those who contribute to it are mere fools. I wont go on about those who have been 'through the white light tunnel and returned' because that has now been proven to be a chemical reaction in the brain as it prepares to shut down. It is only the advancement of being able to rescusitate that has made it so common!
Oh yeah, and when I die, which has been proven by science time and time again, the only thing I expect is that my life energy will transform into another form of energy/matter because energy (even if its only compost) can only be transformed - it cannot be destroyed or ended.
Let the religous believers believe and find out at their demise that they were so wrong.................too late then to change their minds ;D
but if it is true then I will still get into heaven because all sins are forgiven...........stopping now cos my jaw aches with laughing at the stupidity of it  :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #33 on: 10 October 2012, 08:55:59 »

I still have my doubts about the validity of the claims, although the tide of opinion is falling in favour of him being guilty. If this is proved to be the case then he must be castigated, and have his honours removed. He can no longer be brought to justice but those involved with these shameful acts must be brought to book, including those responsible for any cover up. :(

Why have the victims never come forward before, when he was alive ( after money)? Previous investigations proved  false or lacking in evidence. Nobody is naming others they claim were involved or knew of the abuse ( with the exception of Paul Gadd a convicted paedophile, and Freddie Starr another odd ball). Why were so called vulnerable children allowed out of a remand home at that age. A few photographs from broadcast programmes only prove the people were there.  Far too many questions which need answering and it is going to take at least a year before we known the truth. :(

As an aside I reckon the family have not removed his headstones so as not to cause offence but more likely to stop them being vandalised.
 
 
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #34 on: 10 October 2012, 09:21:09 »

30 years ago or more, the world was a totally different place.
If a child walked into a police station and told the officer behind the desk that her father had touched her up, she would probably have not been believed.

If a bloke gave a woman a slap, many would say that she had probably done something to piss the bloke off and she deserved it.

If a bloke wanted a shag and his wife was not in the mood so he forced himself on her and she cried rape, she would not be believed.

I have been told (as I said earlier) about savilles conections to some seriously nasty barstewards in the Leeds area.

The way the Met has discribed him imho is 100% right.
The man was a preditory bully, sexual devient and very probably a nonce who used his charm, fame, wealth, influence and the "look the other way / old boys network / funny handshake brigade" to satisfy his lust for power over not just women but also those who he worked and lived with.

The people who are now coming out of the woodwork are doing so because someone is now willing to listen to them, nothing more  ;)

I'm glad the c**t is dead, the world is a better place without people like him.
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #35 on: 10 October 2012, 09:32:28 »

I still have my doubts about the validity of the claims, although the tide of opinion is falling in favour of him being guilty. If this is proved to be the case then he must be castigated, and have his honours removed. He can no longer be brought to justice but those involved with these shameful acts must be brought to book, including those responsible for any cover up. :(

Why have the victims never come forward before, when he was alive ( after money)? Previous investigations proved  false or lacking in evidence. Nobody is naming others they claim were involved or knew of the abuse ( with the exception of Paul Gadd a convicted paedophile, and Freddie Starr another odd ball). Why were so called vulnerable children allowed out of a remand home at that age. A few photographs from broadcast programmes only prove the people were there.  Far too many questions which need answering and it is going to take at least a year before we known the truth. :(

As an aside I reckon the family have not removed his headstones so as not to cause offence but more likely to stop them being vandalised.

I think I would agree with that :y
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #36 on: 10 October 2012, 10:14:59 »

30 years ago or more, the world was a totally different place.
If a child walked into a police station and told the officer behind the desk that her father had touched her up, she would probably have not been believed.

If a bloke gave a woman a slap, many would say that she had probably done something to piss the bloke off and she deserved it.

If a bloke wanted a shag and his wife was not in the mood so he forced himself on her and she cried rape, she would not be believed.

I have been told (as I said earlier) about savilles conections to some seriously nasty barstewards in the Leeds area.

The way the Met has discribed him imho is 100% right.
The man was a preditory bully, sexual devient and very probably a nonce who used his charm, fame, wealth, influence and the "look the other way / old boys network / funny handshake brigade" to satisfy his lust for power over not just women but also those who he worked and lived with.

The people who are now coming out of the woodwork are doing so because someone is now willing to listen to them, nothing more  ;)

I'm glad the c**t is dead, the world is a better place without people like him.

Couldn't agree more.Why did these kids not come forward before ? That is definitely no defence. Why do they come forward now ? Well at the last count there are apparently 120 and i am sure it will be many hundreds if not thousands if they all came forward.You have to remember these were young kids being groomed and no doubt as they grew up felt the shame of it all and kept quiet to protect their new lives and relationships.His own family must have been aware of some of this and have lndeed alluded to this in the past.There are almost certain to be others involved who are still alive. 
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« Reply #37 on: 10 October 2012, 10:48:18 »

30 years ago or more, the world was a totally different place.
If a child walked into a police station and told the officer behind the desk that her father had touched her up, she would probably have not been believed.

If a bloke gave a woman a slap, many would say that she had probably done something to piss the bloke off and she deserved it.

If a bloke wanted a shag and his wife was not in the mood so he forced himself on her and she cried rape, she would not be believed.

I have been told (as I said earlier) about savilles conections to some seriously nasty barstewards in the Leeds area.

The way the Met has discribed him imho is 100% right.
The man was a preditory bully, sexual devient and very probably a nonce who used his charm, fame, wealth, influence and the "look the other way / old boys network / funny handshake brigade" to satisfy his lust for power over not just women but also those who he worked and lived with.

The people who are now coming out of the woodwork are doing so because someone is now willing to listen to them, nothing more  ;)

I'm glad the c**t is dead, the world is a better place without people like him.

Couldn't agree more.Why did these kids not come forward before ? That is definitely no defence. Why do they come forward now ? Well at the last count there are apparently 120 and i am sure it will be many hundreds if not thousands if they all came forward.You have to remember these were young kids being groomed and no doubt as they grew up felt the shame of it all and kept quiet to protect their new lives and relationships.His own family must have been aware of some of this and have lndeed alluded to this in the past.There are almost certain to be others involved who are still alive.

Scotland Yard is pursuing 120 lines of inquiry and there could be 30 victims.

30 too many in my book :(

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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #38 on: 10 October 2012, 11:33:47 »

30 years ago or more, the world was a totally different place.
If a child walked into a police station and told the officer behind the desk that her father had touched her up, she would probably have not been believed.

If a bloke gave a woman a slap, many would say that she had probably done something to piss the bloke off and she deserved it.

If a bloke wanted a shag and his wife was not in the mood so he forced himself on her and she cried rape, she would not be believed.

I have been told (as I said earlier) about savilles conections to some seriously nasty barstewards in the Leeds area.

The way the Met has discribed him imho is 100% right.
The man was a preditory bully, sexual devient and very probably a nonce who used his charm, fame, wealth, influence and the "look the other way / old boys network / funny handshake brigade" to satisfy his lust for power over not just women but also those who he worked and lived with.

The people who are now coming out of the woodwork are doing so because someone is now willing to listen to them, nothing more  ;)

I'm glad the c**t is dead, the world is a better place without people like him.
so are you saying you didnt like poor old jimmy  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #39 on: 10 October 2012, 12:20:10 »

30 years ago or more, the world was a totally different place.
If a child walked into a police station and told the officer behind the desk that her father had touched her up, she would probably have not been believed.

If a bloke gave a woman a slap, many would say that she had probably done something to piss the bloke off and she deserved it.

If a bloke wanted a shag and his wife was not in the mood so he forced himself on her and she cried rape, she would not be believed.

I have been told (as I said earlier) about savilles conections to some seriously nasty barstewards in the Leeds area.

The way the Met has discribed him imho is 100% right.
The man was a preditory bully, sexual devient and very probably a nonce who used his charm, fame, wealth, influence and the "look the other way / old boys network / funny handshake brigade" to satisfy his lust for power over not just women but also those who he worked and lived with.

The people who are now coming out of the woodwork are doing so because someone is now willing to listen to them, nothing more  ;)

I'm glad the c**t is dead, the world is a better place without people like him.
so are you saying you didnt like poor old jimmy  ;D ;D ;D ;D



When I was a kid like most folks of my age (40's), I lost count of how many times I wrote into Jim Will Fix It.   I wanted to fly in the Red Arrows  :D :D  But never got a reply  :(
He was one of my childhood hero's  :(

Over the last 30 years or so, i've been in a relationship with a lass for a few months who did everything she could to force me away. In the end, she did and we both moved on.
A couple of years later, I bumped into her and in my true diplomatic style I asked her what the fook was her problem with men.  We went for a few drinks and it just came out ............... her uncle used to abuse her when she was 13 years old.   She told her dad who didn't believe her.
Her dad now lives in spain with her uncle.  Because of this, she hasn't seen her dad for years  >:( >:( >:(

A very good mate of mine has not seen his daughter for 5 years because he took a few photographs with his digital camara of her playing in the bath (with her mother present).  Sent them via email too the kids grandad who later turned out to be one of the most influencial nonces in the country.  He is also a ex chief inspector of humberside police.  He was nicked for abuseing his eldest daughter and I believe his youngest daughter but she is so screwed up and frightened of him, she won't talk to the police about it.  Because of her fears, she has turned her daughter against the kids father to the point that she won't see him.  :(   Feel free to google Alex Alexander  >:( >:( >:(

Swmbo was also bullied and controled by her 1st husband and a ex boyfriend used her as some sort of sex toy.  She has issues with trust as im sure you could imagine  :( :( :(

Believe me, I would put everyone of these fookers down in a instant and tbh I couldn't give a toss what anybody thinks  ;)
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #40 on: 10 October 2012, 20:41:22 »

The thing is, at the moment it's all allegations and speculation, although popular opinion seems to be that he was guilty as sin!  ::)  For sure Jimmy Saville was an oddball, but that in it self dosn't make him a pedophile...  :-\  As he's dead and buried in Scarborough cemetery how are they going to prove the allegations?  :-\  Out of all these women coming forward, I bet there's some gold-diggers amongst them after compo from the BBC or his estate...  :-\

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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #42 on: 11 October 2012, 07:40:15 »

 ;)


My final word! I have soul searched a lot and with the consent of my wife post this as a lesson to those who castigate without proof.
Its a shocking tale but is the truth and can be proven because I have the final case closed paperwork to show from the Police.
By the following disclosure I believe that I am in a far better position to comment where many others who have made comments have not had anywhere near the same experience, if any at all.
We were lucky that all of our friends and employers at the time believed in us and supported us all the way. Real friends........
A few years ago I was accused by a single mother of the same type of heinous crime because her daughter who we were proxy grandparents to had told her in a fit of temper because there was no food in the house that she would like to stay with us and leave home. At her home this little girl had nothing, was not treated with respect, was not allowed any choices, was not taken on holiday, was not given a cuddle or shown any love, was not shown how to wash, clean herself or toilet and so the list could go on. She was even born on the toilet floor of her previous home because her mother was not responsible enough to keep her hospital appointments. The delightful Social Services Children’s Department were fully aware of the pigsty she had to live in but due to their guidelines could not do anything! Her mother asked the Children’s Department to allow us to have her every weekend and to take her on holidays with us at our expense. She never gave her one single penny to spend or provided any holiday clothes for her either. We were investigated by the Children’s Department more than once and found to be satisfactory. We were even the best way through the Fostering procedures too so there were no reasons for the unsubstantiated allegations she made against me. The police were involved and all of my pc's and paperwork was removed from our home. After twelve months of intensive forensic investigations during which our lives were laid bare NOTHING was found. Her mother had even put a 7 year old through a series of medical examinations and the usual 'play acting' by the detectives of the Child Abuse unit and again NOTHING was found! I was innocent all the way but had 12 months of hell with my car being destroyed more than once and the house windows put out on the word of a single mother who had had 5 kids all by different fathers and who loved to party at night clubs with lads about half her age! We had the little one (I will not disclose her name) with us from age 4 and a half until she was 7 and when she came to us she was in nappies, wet the bed every night, did not know how to use a knife and fork, did not know how to wipe her bum, did not know how to wash or brush her hair! What type of mother would treat a child like that? Within months she was sitting at the table, toileting herself properly, washing herself properly, was not wetting the bed. It took only a very small effort and a little patience and instruction to get to that stage and she went on to improve further until she was acting just as any little girl would act. We then asked what she wanted and she said that she would love her own bedroom to stay in when she came instead of it just being the spare room. We decorated her 'new' bedroom as she wanted (High School Musical) and put in what children of her age had including a lot of clothes from which she could pick and dress in. A choice she had never had. We never spoiled her and she received spoken discipline when necessary which was very, very rare.
Fortunately for me from the time of my arrest the male detective in charge was open minded and fair. His female counterpart would have hung me at day one. Did she apologise. NO, not a word but hung her head when I was finally informed that I had no case to answer and all of my property was returned to me for the PC's to be rebuilt at my expense. The single mother was simply warned of future conduct and that she would face prison, kids or not, if she persisted in wasting police time.
As a result of the way in which we were treated we then opted not to foster in case it could happen again and so there are probably quite a number of kids that have been denied a decent home, albeit a temporary one, who still waiting for a decent home. 
That is just how wrong the present system is where allegations without proof are made and WORSE acted on by the gullible public......
NO action should be taken or decisions made until CONCRETE proof has been shown to exist. Anyone can lie and make allegations against anyone for anything for a monetary gain and lives are destroyed by it. The press are the worst offenders and should be held liable for the damage they cause. If it is proven that the allegations against Jimmy are false then anyone who has made a false allegation should be ostracised and imprisoned for very long time then have to pay his family compensation for pain and suffering....but if was guilty of some then he should rightly be punished.
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #43 on: 11 October 2012, 09:08:51 »

WELL, My heart goes out to you Bionic what a dreadful experience, and bravely told :'(  :y

I certainly agree with the last paragraph :y :y

It is a shame of way of things today, things that are perfectly innocent are interpreted in the worst possible way, one has to be so careful because one false allegation ruins lives forever.

A few years ago I was in an aweful dilema walking past the local junior school mid morning, the same school all four of my boys had attended. Nobody was about and at the school gates was a young girl with a violin case crying her eyes out. What do I do??? approach her and enquire as to the problem, give her comfort, take her back into school, whatever I did I was aware that it could be misconstrued with the worst possible outcome for me. I decided rightly or wrongly to carry on walking slowly past the school keeping an eye on the girl who was in danger. A woman drives up and the little girl was obviously relieved to see her, she got in the car and drove away. I went to see the headmistress giving her the cars registration number.
What had happened was that the girl took private music lessons and was transported from the school by her mother who had been delayed. I went ape, tearing the teacher off a strip for allowing the child out of school unaccompanied needless to say it never happened again.

It was a good outcome but could so easily have gone wrong :(

   
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Re: Jimmy Saville...right or wrong?
« Reply #44 on: 11 October 2012, 09:32:44 »

 ;)
Pity there are so many who all to ofeten and readily 'jump on the bandwagon' without engaging their brain or giving the benefit of any doubt!
How would they like it to happen to them? To be accused, castigated, their lives destroyed and eventually to be found as I was totally innocent without any apologies or compensation? All I can say is that I only wish it would and maybe, just maybe then they would butt out of something they do not know as being certain or fail to understand the implications it could cause to innocents.

Strange system that if it had gone to court and I was then proven innocent I could and definitely would have claimed compensation.

I can post a copy of the Police notice of No Case to Answer too if I must.

 >:( Blood boiling again.............
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