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[cleggy]

I am reminded of that poor man a retired universitity professor who was arrested over the girls murder in the flats he owned. How the press castigate the poor fellow, turned his life apart with accusations, innuendo and downright lies about his past all because he looked wierd. When it turns out to be some physco dutch student the professors life is ruined, and no amount of compensation or public apology can ever restore his reputation. Mud sticks and the press are responsible for throwing alot of it, stiring up those who believe the every word of crap they print.

Innocent until proven guilty seems to be a forgotten ethic for some , best it's never forgotten.

Getting back to Jimmy Saville, although there is still no real proof the tide of accusations against him is turning in the direction strongly of his guilt. We must wait until the investigations are completed, and if his complicity and guilt in these disgusting crimes is proven then he and his fellow beasts, along with those responsible for covering up or keeping quiet about his behaviour must be exposed brought to book  

[tigers_gonads]

Now I have read your story I can understand where you are coming from as i'm sure if you take a step back and be honest, you can see other people's point of view too.

What that kids mother did to you and your lass is sick but sadly it it the way of the world with some people nowdays.  She was the fooked up nutter, not you and your missus.  The only thing you two did was to give a screwed up inocent kid a stable home and I take my hat off to you sir 

As for saville, we are talking about a totally different era and totally different thing here.
You had one screwed up bitch with 5 kids from 5 different fathers making up these sick fooked up story's, we are now talking about 120 aligations from god knows how how many people over a lot of years.
Re read my post from yesterday morning for the reasons I believe people never came forward then.

Ref your fostering .................... I think it would be great if you and your lass could bring yourselfs to help these poor kids again    Society is totally screwed up and there are a hell of alot of young kids out there who could do with 2 parents who care 

[Terbs]

I fully understand the concerns....as I said earlier, its a sick world.

I think I may have posted this in another thread a while ago. Years ago I was a football referee, I then got roped into doing a few kids games. When my son took up football, I gave more and more of my time to kids football, eventually becoming Referee Secretary to one of the biggest leagues in the south at the time.
However, I decided to pack it up in the end, part of the decision was because of the large feeling at the time, that anyone who 'worked' with kids was 'queer'
I hasten to add, I never had any problems at all, but I suppose I was guilty of giving in to media frenzy. People often said they missed me doing the games and I was a good referee, but kids football is a stomping ground for 'depraved parents' and I decided to get out before some idiot decided to take revenge because his 'little Jimmy's team lost'.

The police (and BBC) will how hold investigations....we can only hope they will be thorough. Anyone 'jumping on the bandwagon' if found out , should receive just punishment. If Saville is proven guilty, then, however the law interprets, punishment must be followed. If proven innocent, then appologies must follow, with, again, some sort of compensation to his family.

As a footnote...I would just add, that before all this, and during his work etc at Stoke Mandeville and other places, I have never liked the bloke from first go back in the sixties. I won't print exactly what I thought of him, I expect you can guess !!! BUT....I will not let these feelings cloud my judgement on the man until proven one way or the other

[Lioned]

The weight of evidence against saville is now overwhelming,it is not just one isolated case.These people coming forward have nothing to gain now but justice,none as far as i have seen have asked for money for their 'stories'.The dam has well and truly burst.
If one person had come forward a few years ago when he was alive they wouldnt have stood a chance against his lawyers.
If there is ever any doubt the child always comes first.

saville was one sick barst*d who is now accused of abusing a brain damaged child iin her hospital bed.I will wager there is even worse to come ,if that is possible,he needs to rot in hell.

[Kevin Wood]

The weight of evidence against saville is now overwhelming....

That's for a court of law to decide, though, IMHO, not the gutter press.

[Lioned]

The weight of evidence against saville is now overwhelming....

That's for a court of law to decide, though, IMHO, not the gutter press.

Indeed it is but it will be difficult now getting saville into court,and to be fair its a little more than the gutter press as both the BBC and ITV are regularly running these new accusations as well as pretty much any radio station you wish to tune into.
Innocent till proven guilty is going to be difficult to apply here,though that can be done in 'abstentia'.Witness statements are often used to prove guilt and we are getting those by the bucket load now. 

[Bionic]

The weight of evidence against saville is now overwhelming,it is not just one isolated case.These people coming forward have nothing to gain now but justice,none as far as i have seen have asked for money for their 'stories'.The dam has well and truly burst.
If one person had come forward a few years ago when he was alive they wouldnt have stood a chance against his lawyers.
If there is ever any doubt the child always comes first.

saville was one sick barst*d who is now accused of abusing a brain damaged child iin her hospital bed.I will wager there is even worse to come ,if that is possible,he needs to rot in hell.

What weight of evidence? There is none to date, nothing but words from the living and if there were so many some would definitely have spoken before and a full investigation held. Remember that it not only the London MET but Poloice forces throughout Britian and so that alone gives credence to my belief that the probablitiy is that it never happened. Too many times have celebrities been accused and then found innocent. Only a few were found to have actually committed a crime and were justly punished.Why wait until Jimmy was dead and could not defend himself or be made to pay compensation? Is it that they knew he could not defend himself? Do not sensationalise mere allegations when the facts are far from being proven. Apart from that the press and TV will always pay for a good story whether it be fact or the fiction of some sick mind because it raises their readers and viewers numbers. They can, and many times before have always made some weak apology afterwards! Nothing should be written or accepted until the full judgement of a court has been seen. Until then in British law he is innocent until PROVEN guilty....

[STMO123]

He was a sick bastard who preyed on the vulnerable and that's it. He should be dug up and hung.

[cleggy]

He was a sick bastard who preyed on the vulnerable and that's it. He should be dug up and hung.

You sicko 
Brilliant

[Sir Tigger KC]

He was a sick bastard who preyed on the vulnerable and that's it. He should be dug up and hung.

Ha! Nice one STMO! This pretty much what I was going to say earlier in the thread but decided it was a bit sick!! 

However as more information emerges its not that bad really, what I was going to say is this:-

If he is proven guilty then he should be dug up and hung outside Broadcasting House in a gibbet!!! 

I still don't know how they will prove anything though... 

[I_want_an_Omega]

I've been following this thread, and the whole Saville thing with interest recently. It now seems that there are over 100 incidents which have been reported to numerous Police forces. That's over 100 people who are prepared to swear on oath that the statement they have given is true.

Short of any film/recording of JS himself admitting that he is culpable, what it would take the OP to change his position on this?

It seems that the BBC and NHS are preparing themselves to be "liable" for any potential damages if an offence is proven to have occured whilst he was working for them. As I understand it, any personal liability that JS would have been under for his actions passed to his employer on his death.

If a court considers this to be the case then would the OP change his mind? If not, then what would?

I've always regarded JS as an unusual fellow who didn't appeal to me at all. I watched the Louis Theroux programme recently and had that feeling re-inforced. The one thing that did stick in my mind from that though was JS stating "keep me away from girl's schools".

[Kevin Wood]

I've been following this thread, and the whole Saville thing with interest recently. It now seems that there are over 100 incidents which have been reported to numerous Police forces. That's over 100 people who are prepared to swear on oath that the statement they have given is true.

Short of any film/recording of JS himself admitting that he is culpable, what it would take the OP to change his position on this?

It seems that the BBC and NHS are preparing themselves to be "liable" for any potential damages if an offence is proven to have occured whilst he was working for them. As I understand it, any personal liability that JS would have been under for his actions passed to his employer on his death.

If a court considers this to be the case then would the OP change his mind? If not, then what would?

I've always regarded JS as an unusual fellow who didn't appeal to me at all. I watched the Louis Theroux programme recently and had that feeling re-inforced. The one thing that did stick in my mind from that though was JS stating "keep me away from girl's schools".

Could the numbers coming out of the woodwork have anything to do with this?

Just an observation...

[sassanach]

i'm reckon i need a t shirt printed with the words "i haven't been touched up by j.savile(whats wrong with me?),because it seems to me that everbody else was,just like al quaeda is responsible for ALL the terrorism in the last ten years.get a grip people,yes he was a person (allegedly)but he's dead what can you do.i watched question time a week ago where janet street porter slagged of the bbc for not doing anything and then admitted under questioning that she knew, but did nothing because no one would believe her,total hypocrite.

[STMO123]

He was a sick bastard who preyed on the vulnerable and that's it. He should be dug up and hung.

They're gonna dig him up and burn him. Almost as good

[Sir Tigger KC]

They should have done it on bonfire night!! Penny for the Guy??