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Wind farms
« on: 04 November 2012, 23:15:13 »

In the light of this new peer-reviewed study which shows that onshore windfarms cause health problems

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9653429/Wind-farm-noise-does-harm-sleep-and-health-say-scientists.html

and in the light of the fact that, for all the massive investment, windfarms still only contribute around 3% of our electricity:

http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

Then why are we being told to close down our coal and nuclear stations in favour of huge offshore windfarms???

Watch this excellent video:

http://www.losthorizons.org/watch-the-film/

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« Reply #1 on: 05 November 2012, 13:15:06 »

Interesting  :y EU strikes again  >:(
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« Reply #2 on: 06 November 2012, 02:07:39 »

The problem with the EU is that you have 27 unelected, unaccountable commissioners who are the only people who are allowed to introduce legislation into the EU Parliament for the MEPs to rubber stamp. Now by far the biggest green political party and movement is in Germany, so when it is their commissioner for Energy they will follow a green agenda and make directives all countries have to obey. The same is happening with German TUV rule for vehicle modifications. So through the EU we are ending up with all of the worst extreme legislation from the 27 EU countries, dumped on all EU countries. This is basically where the EU is designed for French law, French Hegmony and a French power block to boss the world and for the survival of French socialism. The rise of the BRICS means it will never happen, but the economic destruction and misery they will cause in the meantime, will be every bit as bad as that of WWII, except there will be no US Marshall plan this time when it is eventually all over.

Then add this toxic mix into the EU system where many former extreme animal rights groups, anarchists, far left political parties that were rightly dismissed by mainstream society, have found they can get credibility, traction and power in society by joint the green religion and political parties. They are political dreamers against and out to destroy a modern capitalist society. Their aim is not ecology but the destruction of our current society to be replaced with their Marxist utopia. Now their aims and the EU aims to destroy EU country's democracies coincide, so why should we be surprised that they are such cosy bed fellows, except to the EU I'm sure they are just useful fools to help their consolidation of power.

Now to show what utter bunkum and how dangerous this climate change rising CO2 farce is follow these articles and my reasoning. CO2 has been falling for millions of years and it has caused a major problems for the last 2.6million years where CO2 levels have been at historical lows and caused the last ice age. We are still in this ice age with a frozen Greenland and Arctic circle. Over the last 800,000 years MOST of the time Northern Europe has been cover in ice sheets. It is only in the last few thousand years with melting ice and rising seas that the UK has become an island.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

Now this progression and receding of ice has been cyclic. For the last 25,000 years we have been in a warmish period. From a cold period to a warm period, typically take over 10,000 years to occur, but to go from a warm period to a cold period takes ONE to 25 years. What causes this? There is no scientist on earth who knows, but they think is might be linked to sea currents, so when will the next overdue cold period start when the temperature will drop over 5degC over a year and the ice begins to advance, which reflects sunlight to make it colder still, so you end up 10-18degC colder. Nobody knows. But when it happens the temperature drop affects predominately the Northern hemisphere, in fact the south will get warmer. So the rising CO2 levels, might actually save Northern civilization, which will be wiped out by an ice age, along with mass extinction of the Northern hemisphere ecosystem.

http://www.nbi.ku.dk/english/sciencexplorer/earth_and_climate/golden_spike/video/spoergsmaal_svar1/

Now all species of plants and animals have to adapt or die with what nature throws at us through natural disasters, but also though the natural changing of the climate, so the current CO2 increase may make some species extinct, this has been happening since life evolved on earth billions of years ago, with many more species extinct than currently alive. As one species dies another takes over. The mass extinction of the dinosaurs allowed mammals and us to evolve and become the predominant animals.

Even global warming scientists now admit that the earth is going to cool for the next the next 30 years, due to various sun cycles that combine to increase or decease the sun's energy output and the Earth's position and distance from the sun, which I learn't recently does happen as part of my research, out of curiosity, into what is the Earth's optimum temperature for life and mankind and how do we stop the next ice age. Which is to me the real question that we should be asking but nobody is?
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Re: Wind farms
« Reply #3 on: 06 November 2012, 10:42:50 »

So you don't believe that mankind has had any effect on The Earths climate in the last 200 years or so?  ???
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« Reply #4 on: 06 November 2012, 12:37:12 »

Well reasoned Rod as ever. :y :y :y

Wind Turbines should be blown up, useless blot on the landscape, the science and economics are all wrong and without subsidies on our fuel bills nobody would build them plus the fact they don't work efficiently, as for solar panels fine during the day pretty useless when we really need power. The only way to go is nuclear and gas from fraking, with clean coal power stations we could be self sufficient and without doing the maths probably energy exporters. No need to rely on Russia or the ransom when they turn the taps off.

The EU should be told to Freak Out, referendum now VOTE UKIP  :y :y

As for global warming, Rod is far more eloquent than I but it is a cyclic thing, mankind has very little effect on climate changes. Pollution of all kinds is another matter, so is destroying the rain forests, while cows cause more damage by farting methane then we do. ;D ;D
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« Reply #5 on: 06 November 2012, 14:40:45 »

Well reasoned Rod as ever. :y :y :y

Wind Turbines should be blown up, useless blot on the landscape, the science and economics are all wrong and without subsidies on our fuel bills nobody would build them plus the fact they don't work efficiently, as for solar panels fine during the day pretty useless when we really need power. The only way to go is nuclear and gas from fraking, with clean coal power stations we could be self sufficient and without doing the maths probably energy exporters. No need to rely on Russia or the ransom when they turn the taps off.

The EU should be told to Freak Out, referendum now VOTE UKIP  :y :y

As for global warming, Rod is far more eloquent than I but it is a cyclic thing, mankind has very little effect on climate changes. Pollution of all kinds is another matter, so is destroying the rain forests, while cows cause more damage by farting methane then we do. ;D ;D

Maybe we should be tapping that gas and re-using it  ;D
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Re: Wind farms
« Reply #6 on: 06 November 2012, 21:03:32 »

So you don't believe that mankind has had any effect on The Earths climate in the last 200 years or so?  ???

The world is a dynamic system so ALL animals and plants have an affect, including humans. I have yet to see any convincing argument on climate change, it is an unproven hypothesis, which they keep changing where the theory, doesn't fit the facts, like the world is cooling at the moment.  :-[ :-[

Mankind is very, very bad at predicting the future, just look at the economic forecasts for the last 5 years. In 2008, they were forecasting 3%+ UK growth for this year.  :o :o :o

I personally think that using energy more efficiently is a good thing with better cars and building insulation and heating systems as economic production of fossil fuels is finite. Likewise, if we want civilization to continue for along time, we have got to learn how to recycle all materials, that way manufacturing can continue for a very long time. But it has to done in away that is sensible science and engineering at a realistic cost. Wind turbines are neither.  >:(
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« Reply #7 on: 07 November 2012, 14:20:41 »

I can't see how mankind hasn't had any effect on the Earths ecosystem, when you consider the colossal areas of land that have been deforested over the last 1000 years and the pollution both domestic and industrial that we have spewed out over that last 200 years or so causing things like acid rain and the plastic swirl in the Pacific.....  :-\  Even without man there wouldn't be so many cows!!  ::) ;D All this and more has to have an effect!  ::)

Don't get me wrong I'm no hysterical greenie, and I certainly agree that The Earths climate does change cyclically.  You don't have to do much digging round here to find fossilized remains of creatures that lived in a tropical climate... but what I do believe is that this time human activity is speeding up the cycle!! Climate change is a fact!! We all know that the weather patterns are different than they were 20 or 30 years ago and large scale flooding is becoming much more common than ever here in the UK, and things are more disastrous in other parts of the world....

To me, to have clean/renewable sources of energy is just common sense! What dosn't make sense to me is spending billions of pounds on ineffective technology like windfarms... Especially when the cash is coming from increased energy bills, pushing low income families and the elderly into fuel poverty!!  >:( In fact I don't agree with subsidising alternative energy sources at all as I believe that it removes the incentive to make these technologies actually work and be economically viable!!  ;)

 


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« Reply #8 on: 08 November 2012, 22:53:53 »

I can't see how mankind hasn't had any effect on the Earths ecosystem, when you consider the colossal areas of land that have been deforested over the last 1000 years and the pollution both domestic and industrial that we have spewed out over that last 200 years or so causing things like acid rain and the plastic swirl in the Pacific.....  :-\  Even without man there wouldn't be so many cows!!  ::) ;D All this and more has to have an effect!  ::)

Don't get me wrong I'm no hysterical greenie, and I certainly agree that The Earths climate does change cyclically.  You don't have to do much digging round here to find fossilized remains of creatures that lived in a tropical climate... but what I do believe is that this time human activity is speeding up the cycle!! Climate change is a fact!! We all know that the weather patterns are different than they were 20 or 30 years ago and large scale flooding is becoming much more common than ever here in the UK, and things are more disastrous in other parts of the world....

To me, to have clean/renewable sources of energy is just common sense! What dosn't make sense to me is spending billions of pounds on ineffective technology like windfarms... Especially when the cash is coming from increased energy bills, pushing low income families and the elderly into fuel poverty!!  >:( In fact I don't agree with subsidising alternative energy sources at all as I believe that it removes the incentive to make these technologies actually work and be economically viable!!  ;)

Rods will love this!  ::)  Turns out we're slowing down the cycle!  :-\ Researchers at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden believe that increased C02 emissions are holding back the next ice age.....  :o  Doh!  :-[  ;D

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-08/human-carbon-emissions-seen-by-researchers-holding-back-ice-age.html
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« Reply #9 on: 08 November 2012, 23:05:18 »

 ;D ;D

You couldn't make it up!  ;) ;D ;D
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« Reply #10 on: 08 November 2012, 23:07:48 »

Well we can all dig out an article from an obscure website to prove (or unprove..  ::)) a point!!  ;)  ;D
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« Reply #11 on: 08 November 2012, 23:11:37 »

Well we can all dig out an article from an obscure website to prove (or unprove..  ::)) a point!!  ;)  ;D

Ah, yes, but as the warmists say, "The Science is settled"

Is it ****

 ;) ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #12 on: 08 November 2012, 23:27:04 »

Bloomberg - yep thats really obscure. ;D ::)
So obscure the worlds financial systems would collapse in an hour without it. ;)
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« Reply #13 on: 08 November 2012, 23:41:16 »

Well we can all dig out an article from an obscure website to prove (or unprove..  ::)) a point!!  ;)  ;D

Ah, yes, but as the warmists say, "The Science is settled"

Is it ****

 ;) ;D ;D ;D

The fact that they think science can in any way ever be "settled" speaks volumes, IMHO. ::)

The earth is flat, after all. ;D
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« Reply #14 on: 08 November 2012, 23:56:44 »

Well we can all dig out an article from an obscure website to prove (or unprove..  ::)) a point!!  ;)  ;D

Ah, yes, but as the warmists say, "The Science is settled"

Is it ****

 ;) ;D ;D ;D

The fact that they think science can in any way ever be "settled" speaks volumes, IMHO. ::)

The earth is flat, after all. ;D

And all those wind turbines are really propellers whizzing around to keep us from crashing!!  :D  ;D
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