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[Lizzie_Zoom]

At this poignant time I think it is wise to say one thing.

I would sooner live in an over the top liberal democratic system where sometimes there can seemingly be too much play on human rights and liberties than a far right oppressive society controlled by dictatorial politics or an organisation that stops all human rights ; the NAZIS for instance.  Shooting people in public was their answer to ALL opposition and views that they did not agree with.

Do not go there please!!

Nazis aren't right wing, they're left wing. There seems to be a mass public misunderstanding of the term 'right wing', happily perpetrated by lefties who like the fact that the term is ignorantly associated with extremism. Right wing is only one side of the political spectrum (the right i.e. the correct side), you can have extremes on both sides. For example these so called anti fascists ARE the very thing they claim to protest against. They don't allow freedom of thought, expression, association, or speech, and they seek to vilify anyone who dares think differently.

Sorry, but the Nazis  were a National Socialist Party that sought absolute national interest over the needs of most Germans and all others they managed to conquer.  They were certainly not Liberal, nor were in favour of Labour type polices of working for the interests of all working people providing a socialist environment for everyone, if any.  No, their  "nationalistic" policies were designed to create a greater Germany under full military dictatorial control under Adolf Hitler. 

They were extreme right wing, against alien people, religion or politics who / what didn't match the profile of someone from pure German blood.  Our Conservatives, although, thank God, not extreme right wingers, do fight to protect the state, the monarchy, the law and the British way of life in our democratic society.  The Nazis were well beyond those right wing polices which resulted in mass genocide and absolute military power under Hitler, which eventually imploded as all evil empires will with the leadership turning on each other, and that going down throughout the ranks.

Yes, they were extreme right wing and no way socialists as we recognize on the left of society, as recognized by all political commentators and academics.

[STMO123]

Thanks for that Lizzie. You are, as always, absolutely correct.

[mrgreen]

At this poignant time I think it is wise to say one thing.

I would sooner live in an over the top liberal democratic system where sometimes there can seemingly be too much play on human rights and liberties than a far right oppressive society controlled by dictatorial politics or an organisation that stops all human rights ; the NAZIS for instance.  Shooting people in public was their answer to ALL opposition and views that they did not agree with.

Do not go there please!!

Surely we are not talking about two extremes, Lizzie. This is not an "either, or" situation. He is simply persona non grata as a result of his hate-filled speeches. He would happily put an end to the human rights of anyone who didn't share his jihadist views. We should have the inalienable right, as a people, to deport those who call for our destruction..."human rights" or not.

I agree, but sometimes we can all get carried away with "ideas" on ways of eliminating/ exterminating things/people we do not like or agree with.

Unfortunately, at times, our democratic ideals do get in the way as in this ridiculous situation.  But never forget if we only want our version of free speech it leads to dangerous future situations.  Never forget Hitler dismantled German democracy from 1933 to give him the powers to rid the Nazis of all people who voiced a democratic opposing point of view, especially when dealing with "alien" religions. 

I find the character in question a threatening, evil force, but he has not yet faced trial and been found guilty of an crime (?). Hitler would love this situation and just shoot him and millions of others without trial.  So what I was stating is that we should never let our democratic ideals be devalued  by our actions.  Too much is at stake.

Never forget, to many in the East this man, will be a martyr when the West take him out.

all well and good maybe not shooting in the street as that would be islamic-but all i would like to see is a justice system that protects western ideals,

a couple of facts,

1. in America the most given name to a newborn is muhammed.
2. in America the fastest growing religion is Muslim
3. within the next two generations Germany will be a predominantly islamic society.

Islam is training itself to get into governments and higher level jobs and is slowly working it's way into society under the radar demanding rights to fly their flag so to speak like never before, if you are interested read Militant Islam reaches America by daniel Pipe it will open your eyes alot and then you can decide whether something shouldn't be done.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

In any case, if someone is a Nazi that isn't necessarily a bad thing. It only means they are Nationalist and Socialist, the SNP for example. The term Nazi is a general one and denotes political ideology and is completely separate from genocide and other acts associated with Hitlers regime during the war.

No, you can never separate the action of the Nazis from their political ideals ; i.e. eradicate all Jews, Communists, and everyone protesting for socialist ideals, like unions and general democratic process.

I advise you to read Mein Kampf, the rantings of a lunatic, but a very dangerous one whose philosophy was the core and very reason for the Nazis.

[STMO123]

At this poignant time I think it is wise to say one thing.

I would sooner live in an over the top liberal democratic system where sometimes there can seemingly be too much play on human rights and liberties than a far right oppressive society controlled by dictatorial politics or an organisation that stops all human rights ; the NAZIS for instance.  Shooting people in public was their answer to ALL opposition and views that they did not agree with.

Do not go there please!!

Surely we are not talking about two extremes, Lizzie. This is not an "either, or" situation. He is simply persona non grata as a result of his hate-filled speeches. He would happily put an end to the human rights of anyone who didn't share his jihadist views. We should have the inalienable right, as a people, to deport those who call for our destruction..."human rights" or not.

I agree, but sometimes we can all get carried away with "ideas" on ways of eliminating/ exterminating things/people we do not like or agree with.

Unfortunately, at times, our democratic ideals do get in the way as in this ridiculous situation.  But never forget if we only want our version of free speech it leads to dangerous future situations.  Never forget Hitler dismantled German democracy from 1933 to give him the powers to rid the Nazis of all people who voiced a democratic opposing point of view, especially when dealing with "alien" religions. 

I find the character in question a threatening, evil force, but he has not yet faced trial and been found guilty of an crime (?). Hitler would love this situation and just shoot him and millions of others without trial.  So what I was stating is that we should never let our democratic ideals be devalued  by our actions.  Too much is at stake.

Never forget, to many in the East this man, will be a martyr when the West take him out.

all well and good maybe not shooting in the street as that would be islamic-but all i would like to see is a justice system that protects western ideals,

a couple of facts,

1. in America the most given name to a newborn is muhammed.
2. in America the fastest growing religion is Muslim
3. within the next two generations Germany will be a predominantly islamic society.

Islam is training itself to get into governments and higher level jobs and is slowly working it's way into society under the radar demanding rights to fly their flag so to speak like never before, if you are interested read Militant Islam reaches America by daniel Pipe it will open your eyes alot and then you can decide whether something shouldn't be done.

Oh no! Lizzie might have to wear a burkha.

[albitz]

And Das Kapital was also the dangerous ramblings of another lunatic,but unfortunately half the people running this country seem to think its the Holy Bible.

[Sir Tigger KC]

And Das Kapital was also the dangerous ramblings of another lunatic,but unfortunately half the people running this country seem to think its the Holy Bible.

Luckily they've overlooked 'The Little Red Book'..... 

[albitz]

so far.

[STMO123]

And Das Kapital was also the dangerous ramblings of another lunatic,but unfortunately half the people running this country seem to think its the Holy Bible.

Luckily they've overlooked 'The Little Red Book'..... 

In 20 years, we'll all be reading that one.

Well, I wont because, as Albs will tell you, I'll be dead...........fickin roll on...

[albitz]

And Das Kapital was also the dangerous ramblings of another lunatic,but unfortunately half the people running this country seem to think its the Holy Bible.

Luckily they've overlooked 'The Little Red Book'..... 

In 20 years, we'll all be reading that one.

Well, I wont because, as Albs will tell you, I'll be dead...........fickin roll on...

[/highlight]

 

[STMO123]

And Das Kapital was also the dangerous ramblings of another lunatic,but unfortunately half the people running this country seem to think its the Holy Bible.

Luckily they've overlooked 'The Little Red Book'..... 

In 20 years, we'll all be reading that one.

Well, I wont because, as Albs will tell you, I'll be dead...........fickin roll on...

[/highlight]

 

If the doctor gives me six months to live, I might kill someone. But who..........

[cleggy]

At this poignant time I think it is wise to say one thing.

I would sooner live in an over the top liberal democratic system where sometimes there can seemingly be too much play on human rights and liberties than a far right oppressive society controlled by dictatorial politics or an organisation that stops all human rights ; the NAZIS for instance.  Shooting people in public was their answer to ALL opposition and views that they did not agree with.

Do not go there please!!

Nazis aren't right wing, they're left wing. There seems to be a mass public misunderstanding of the term 'right wing', happily perpetrated by lefties who like the fact that the term is ignorantly associated with extremism. Right wing is only one side of the political spectrum (the right i.e. the correct side), you can have extremes on both sides. For example these so called anti fascists ARE the very thing they claim to protest against. They don't allow freedom of thought, expression, association, or speech, and they seek to vilify anyone who dares think differently.

Sorry, but the Nazis  were a National Socialist Party that sought absolute national interest over the needs of most Germans and all others they managed to conquer.  They were certainly not Liberal, nor were in favour of Labour type polices of working for the interests of all working people providing a socialist environment for everyone, if any.  No, their  "nationalistic" policies were designed to create a greater Germany under full military dictatorial control under Adolf Hitler. 

They were extreme right wing, against alien people, religion or politics who / what didn't match the profile of someone from pure German blood.  Our Conservatives, although, thank God, not extreme right wingers, do fight to protect the state, the monarchy, the law and the British way of life in our democratic society.  The Nazis were well beyond those right wing polices which resulted in mass genocide and absolute military power under Hitler, which eventually imploded as all evil empires will with the leadership turning on each other, and that going down throughout the ranks.

Yes, they were extreme right wing and no way socialists as we recognize on the left of society, as recognized by all political commentators and academics.

Exactly, but too far  to the left

[Lizzie_Zoom]

What is missing from this thread, about of course one vile individual, but has blossomed out (as usual) into a discussion about immigration, is that throughout the history of this nation we have been changed by constant immigration.

Since tribes of ancient people crossed over the Dogger plains in what would become Britain, we have experienced the inflow, and outflow of what would become, or were, "Brits".  The Romans came, then the Anglo Saxons, followed by Vikings, with the Normans coming in quick succession.  Since then the British nation has been joined by numerous nationalities with the ebb and flow of Empires, with the British Empire 'encouraging eventual mass immigration after years of Brits emigrating / invading so many corners of the World with slavery also a contributor as it is still in the USA. Earlier global 'Events' such as the Roman, then Otterman Empires extending their fingers across the Eastern and Western areas of the globe, with lets not forget, the "Christian" Crusades adding to the movement of the worlds people, that of course affected the British Isles along with everything else.

World Wars have also added to the British mix of people with Britain becoming, proudly, a base for all democratic minded people to fight oppressive evil regimes.  This constant mixing will continue throughout the future as it has in the past with especially Islamic religion working with, and changing alongside Christianity.  The former is evolving 500 years behind Christianity, with, to us as Christians, old crude ideals.  Christianity went through that process from our pagan background and has had many black moments in the distant past.  All will eventually balance out in God's world and we all will live in an advanced society where all creeds, cultures, and colours  of people will work as one.

[STMO123]

Amen.

[geoffr70]

You've obviously missed the entire point, and that other socialist is butting in who doesn't know what he's talking about. Perhaps it's time for a lesson in basic politics? I won't go any further as from what you've posted you've proved my point about a mass public misunderstanding of what left and right wing is and isn't.