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[cleggy]

 I got this sent to me today and it's common sense, who needs Camoron


"The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a  living"

This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it.   It's her future shes worried about and this is how she feels about the  social welfare system that shes being forced to live in! These solutions  are just common sense in her opinion.
 
     

Put  me in charge . . ..

Put me in charge of benefit payments. I'd get  rid of cash payments and provide vouchers for 50kg bags of rice and  beans, blocks of cheese, basic sanitary items  and all the powdered milk you can use.
If you want  steak,  burgers, takeaway and  junk food, then get a  job.


Put me in charge of the NHS. The first thing I'd do is to get women to have birth control implants. 
Then, we'll test  recipients for drugs,  alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce, use drugs, drink alcohol or smoke, then get a job.


Put me in charge of local authority housing.   Ever  live in military barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair.
Your "home" will be subject to  inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried.
If you want  a plasma TV or Xbox 360,  then get a job and your own place.


Put me in charge of  compulsory job search. You will either search for employment each week no matter what the job or you will report for community work.
This may be clearing the roadways and open spaces of rubbish, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find  for you.
We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your dooff dooff stereo and speakers and put that money toward the  common good..


Before you write that I've violated  someone's rights, realise that all of the above is voluntary.
If you want our hard earned cash and housing assistance, accept our rules.. 
Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin someones "self  esteem," consider that it  wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing  absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem. 


If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we  should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices.  The current system rewards those for continuing to make bad choices. 


AND While  you are on benefit income you no longer have the right to VOTE! 
For you to vote would be a conflict of interest..... If you want to vote, then get a job. 

 
BRING ON THE REVOLUTION.
 
May I add that no-one gets income support for more than 2 children - if they want more they get a job.
 

[Varche]

I would add "suspend all IVF treatment". Use the money for the health of the living. Having children is not a right- adopt a child if need be.

Could also add getting Prisoners to put something back into the system. They could build my (admittedly somewhat ambitious plan ) barrage over the Wash to create a huge freshwater lake that could supply the South East with all their needs and more for a hundred years.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

To start with the vast majority of the unemployed, including many who have succeeded in higher education and are well qualified, are desperate to work!

Where would they fit in to this grand scheme?

The long term ill, who for no fault of their own cannot work, where do they fit in to this grand scheme?

Those who have worked solidly most of their lives, but have been made redundant in their fifties, where do they fit in to this grand scheme?

Does the grand scheme intend to create mass employment for a decent wage anytime soon, at least for the younger generations?

Would you all be prepared to sacrifice your freedoms along with your dignity when you lose your job, are made redundant, fall ill, etc, etc, and support the grand scheme?

To achieve all the above would you like to vote in this grand scheme on the  back of National Socialism?

If so let's have Hitler back to create jobs, develop industry, have full employment and build up the military to secure it all to achieve the grand scheme.  Oh, and of course murder all disabled, all mentally ill, all those that do not fit in and meet the standards of the scheme, including those of impure race, or perceived enemies of the state who would not bow down to dictatorial rule.

The German Workers National Socialist Part achieved all that, effectively ending any form of welfare for anyone other than top state officials.

Communism also achieved a similar scheme under Stalin, although he actually murdered more people than Hitler ever did.

So before everyone jumps in on the current Coalition bandwagon of getting on top of "benefit scroungers", "those who have their curtains shut when the rest of us go to work",remember what is at stake, and how a state can alienate one group of people against the other very quickly.

I am a Conservative Socialist, and I am now becoming very ashamed of how Cameron & co. are acting against the disadvantaged, the VAST majority of whom are in circumstances they did not cause, and want to get out of.  It was, I am ashamed to say, Maggie Thatcher who let British industry to fade, but, the saving fact is, AFTER previous Labour governments, with unions in charge, allowed it all to become a farce and a laughing stock of the World.  I remember it well!

Now, in the 21st century let us not kick those that are already down who are we well know those who form the poorest part of our society, whilst the rich escape, laughing all the way to the bank, at the expense of the rest of us.

Revolution we do not need as they, ever since the French Revolution 0f 1789, ALWAYS deteriorate into mob rule with disastrous consequences.

No, we need a new  Government, with a new direction to help all the people, especially the young, come through and succeed in life in all respects.

If you do not agree with what I say, well that is up to you.  But it is what I believe after living these 59 years and operating in high business and seeing ugly situations, causing misery to others, but enacting by people with greed in their minds.

Man, and it is MAN, requires urgently strong control to stop man destroying fellow man, and allowing man to commit to constant warre as a natural condition.  The Western Democratic World is now at a critical time. Decisions are required urgently.

Just remember though how previous empires, regimes, and societies have collapsed; they have eat themselves internally until they implode.  Cameron has started us on that road and it is a dangerous one.

 

[johnnybbad]

People who are disabled, people who have been made redundant for no fault of their own, people who are actively searching for work, i respect

What i don't respect is the layabout scroungers, people who can work but wont work, immigrants who come to the uk with no intention to work etc

As for the over qualified youngsters, screw the qualifications and invest into businesses to bring apprenticeships back to where they used be.

Each application for benefits should be thoroughly looked into, and not just given out like candy

 

[symes]

Like the couple I know 3 kids 2 different fathers and the one father of 2 of the kids had a job once-walked out-didnt like it-now WE pay ! Want kids get a job-why should I pay towards benefit bashers whos only job is too screw us all for more free handouts
Fair enough disabled -but then you get some who lie-which stops those who really need the help,from gettiing any

We are all doomed

[bored bigyin54]

I got this sent to me today and it's common sense, who needs Camoron


"The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a  living"

This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it.   It's her future shes worried about and this is how she feels about the  social welfare system that shes being forced to live in! These solutions  are just common sense in her opinion.
 
     

Put  me in charge . . ..

Put me in charge of benefit payments. I'd get  rid of cash payments and provide vouchers for 50kg bags of rice and  beans, blocks of cheese, basic sanitary items  and all the powdered milk you can use.
If you want  steak,  burgers, takeaway and  junk food, then get a  job.


Put me in charge of the NHS. The first thing I'd do is to get women to have birth control implants. 
Then, we'll test  recipients for drugs,  alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce, use drugs, drink alcohol or smoke, then get a job.


Put me in charge of local authority housing.   Ever  live in military barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair.
Your "home" will be subject to  inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried.
If you want  a plasma TV or Xbox 360,  then get a job and your own place.


Put me in charge of  compulsory job search. You will either search for employment each week no matter what the job or you will report for community work.
This may be clearing the roadways and open spaces of rubbish, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find  for you.
We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your dooff dooff stereo and speakers and put that money toward the  common good..


Before you write that I've violated  someone's rights, realise that all of the above is voluntary.
If you want our hard earned cash and housing assistance, accept our rules.. 
Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin someones "self  esteem," consider that it  wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing  absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem. 


If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we  should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices.  The current system rewards those for continuing to make bad choices. 


AND While  you are on benefit income you no longer have the right to VOTE! 
For you to vote would be a conflict of interest..... If you want to vote, then get a job. 

 
BRING ON THE REVOLUTION.
 
May I add that no-one gets income support for more than 2 children - if they want more they get a job.

hitler is alive and well

[Sir Tigger KC]

No, we need a new  Government, with a new direction to help all the people, especially the young, come through and succeed in life in all respects.

No chance of that Lizzie until 2015, thanks to The Right Honourable David Cameron and his 5 year fixed term parliament.    One thing he has been quite clever about! 

[cleggy]

To start with the vast majority of the unemployed, including many who have succeeded in higher education and are well qualified, are desperate to work!

Where would they fit in to this grand scheme?

The long term ill, who for no fault of their own cannot work, where do they fit in to this grand scheme?

Those who have worked solidly most of their lives, but have been made redundant in their fifties, where do they fit in to this grand scheme?

Does the grand scheme intend to create mass employment for a decent wage anytime soon, at least for the younger generations?

Would you all be prepared to sacrifice your freedoms along with your dignity when you lose your job, are made redundant, fall ill, etc, etc, and support the grand scheme?

To achieve all the above would you like to vote in this grand scheme on the  back of National Socialism?

If so let's have Hitler back to create jobs, develop industry, have full employment and build up the military to secure it all to achieve the grand scheme.  Oh, and of course murder all disabled, all mentally ill, all those that do not fit in and meet the standards of the scheme, including those of impure race, or perceived enemies of the state who would not bow down to dictatorial rule.

The German Workers National Socialist Part achieved all that, effectively ending any form of welfare for anyone other than top state officials.

Communism also achieved a similar scheme under Stalin, although he actually murdered more people than Hitler ever did.

So before everyone jumps in on the current Coalition bandwagon of getting on top of "benefit scroungers", "those who have their curtains shut when the rest of us go to work",remember what is at stake, and how a state can alienate one group of people against the other very quickly.

I am a Conservative Socialist, and I am now becoming very ashamed of how Cameron & co. are acting against the disadvantaged, the VAST majority of whom are in circumstances they did not cause, and want to get out of.  It was, I am ashamed to say, Maggie Thatcher who let British industry to fade, but, the saving fact is, AFTER previous Labour governments, with unions in charge, allowed it all to become a farce and a laughing stock of the World.  I remember it well!

Now, in the 21st century let us not kick those that are already down who are we well know those who form the poorest part of our society, whilst the rich escape, laughing all the way to the bank, at the expense of the rest of us.

Revolution we do not need as they, ever since the French Revolution 0f 1789, ALWAYS deteriorate into mob rule with disastrous consequences.

No, we need a new  Government, with a new direction to help all the people, especially the young, come through and succeed in life in all respects.

If you do not agree with what I say, well that is up to you.  But it is what I believe after living these 59 years and operating in high business and seeing ugly situations, causing misery to others, but enacting by people with greed in their minds.

Man, and it is MAN, requires urgently strong control to stop man destroying fellow man, and allowing man to commit to constant warre as a natural condition.  The Western Democratic World is now at a critical time. Decisions are required urgently.

Just remember though how previous empires, regimes, and societies have collapsed; they have eat themselves internally until they implode.  Cameron has started us on that road and it is a dangerous one.

 

Lizzie you are missing the point, this is a tongue in cheek but a fair way to deal with the scroungers, not the disabled or people who have contributed to our welfare systems and come upon hard times 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

No, we need a new  Government, with a new direction to help all the people, especially the young, come through and succeed in life in all respects.

No chance of that Lizzie until 2015, thanks to The Right Honourable David Cameron and his 5 year fixed term parliament.    One thing he has been quite clever about! 

Thanks to his mis-judgements, he is now becoming a liability to his own party and the rest of us.  He is treading on thin ice and he could well fall through before the next General Election.  The Party is not happy, there are growing voices of disdain, the Lib-Dems are becoming unstable, and Labour is gaining strength.  The ides of March could come yet!

[symes]

No, we need a new  Government, with a new direction to help all the people, especially the young, come through and succeed in life in all respects.

No chance of that Lizzie until 2015, thanks to The Right Honourable David Cameron and his 5 year fixed term parliament.    One thing he has been quite clever about! 

Thanks to his mis-judgements, he is now becoming a liability to his own party and the rest of us.  He is treading on thin ice and he could well fall through before the next General Election.  The Party is not happy, there are growing voices of disdain, the Lib-Dems are becoming unstable, and Labour is gaining strength.  The ides of March could come yet!

January would be good

[cleggy]

No, we need a new  Government, with a new direction to help all the people, especially the young, come through and succeed in life in all respects.

No chance of that Lizzie until 2015, thanks to The Right Honourable David Cameron and his 5 year fixed term parliament.    One thing he has been quite clever about! 

Thanks to his mis-judgements, he is now becoming a liability to his own party and the rest of us.  He is treading on thin ice and he could well fall through before the next General Election.  The Party is not happy, there are growing voices of disdain, the Lib-Dems are becoming unstable, and Labour is gaining strength.  The ides of March could come yet!

VOTE UKIP   The only problem I see is that will let Liebour in

What we need is a right if right Tory party

[tigers_gonads]

5 or 6 years ago, i'd have agreed with most of that and joined in but sadly the job market and the world has changed 
I've just spent over 2 years on the dole (with not one penny in benefits because my missus works anyware between 30 and 50 hours a week to keep a roof over out heads), 12 months bankruptcy (because certain "merchant bankers" owd me money and quite simply decieded they would pay me when they felt like it. Because of this, and various wholesallers who saw the pound signs of "compound intrest / court fee's I was in so much finacial sh*t I ended going under and loseing everything.
And in the last 6 months, i've been told (off the record) that because i'm 47 next birthday, any money will go to people 20 years younger then me because they have a longer working life in front of them and accordingly will pay more stamp so i'm basicly on my own unless I can dig myself out of this shitehole 
As for me getting off my arse and getting a job, I left the forces 22 years ago.  I worked for 2 firms for 18 months. (both have gone under so no references available) and I was self employed for 19 years before the shite hit the fan so again no references.

Welcome to the REAL WORLD 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

To start with the vast majority of the unemployed, including many who have succeeded in higher education and are well qualified, are desperate to work!

Where would they fit in to this grand scheme?

The long term ill, who for no fault of their own cannot work, where do they fit in to this grand scheme?

Those who have worked solidly most of their lives, but have been made redundant in their fifties, where do they fit in to this grand scheme?

Does the grand scheme intend to create mass employment for a decent wage anytime soon, at least for the younger generations?

Would you all be prepared to sacrifice your freedoms along with your dignity when you lose your job, are made redundant, fall ill, etc, etc, and support the grand scheme?

To achieve all the above would you like to vote in this grand scheme on the  back of National Socialism?

If so let's have Hitler back to create jobs, develop industry, have full employment and build up the military to secure it all to achieve the grand scheme.  Oh, and of course murder all disabled, all mentally ill, all those that do not fit in and meet the standards of the scheme, including those of impure race, or perceived enemies of the state who would not bow down to dictatorial rule.

The German Workers National Socialist Part achieved all that, effectively ending any form of welfare for anyone other than top state officials.

Communism also achieved a similar scheme under Stalin, although he actually murdered more people than Hitler ever did.

So before everyone jumps in on the current Coalition bandwagon of getting on top of "benefit scroungers", "those who have their curtains shut when the rest of us go to work",remember what is at stake, and how a state can alienate one group of people against the other very quickly.

I am a Conservative Socialist, and I am now becoming very ashamed of how Cameron & co. are acting against the disadvantaged, the VAST majority of whom are in circumstances they did not cause, and want to get out of.  It was, I am ashamed to say, Maggie Thatcher who let British industry to fade, but, the saving fact is, AFTER previous Labour governments, with unions in charge, allowed it all to become a farce and a laughing stock of the World.  I remember it well!

Now, in the 21st century let us not kick those that are already down who are we well know those who form the poorest part of our society, whilst the rich escape, laughing all the way to the bank, at the expense of the rest of us.

Revolution we do not need as they, ever since the French Revolution 0f 1789, ALWAYS deteriorate into mob rule with disastrous consequences.

No, we need a new  Government, with a new direction to help all the people, especially the young, come through and succeed in life in all respects.

If you do not agree with what I say, well that is up to you.  But it is what I believe after living these 59 years and operating in high business and seeing ugly situations, causing misery to others, but enacting by people with greed in their minds.

Man, and it is MAN, requires urgently strong control to stop man destroying fellow man, and allowing man to commit to constant warre as a natural condition.  The Western Democratic World is now at a critical time. Decisions are required urgently.

Just remember though how previous empires, regimes, and societies have collapsed; they have eat themselves internally until they implode.  Cameron has started us on that road and it is a dangerous one.

 

Lizzie you are missing the point, this is a tongue in cheek but a fair way to deal with the scroungers, not the disabled or people who have contributed to our welfare systems and come upon hard times

It may be meant in tongue in cheek fashion, I would accept that, but the underlying message to all too many at the moment in the Conservative wing of the Coalition is "bash those on benefits" as they are an easy target that the press and general public love to seek blood from.

That policy covers up the Government's failure to grasp the billions being still wasted, and lost through non-collection of tax from the very rich / international companies, along with an inability to provide mass employment.  So the propaganda by the Government continues to take everyone down another false road to cover their shortfalls, and not deal with the real issues.

I personally will not stand by and watch our political system kick the weak.  Jokes about that, although well intentioned, just help the propaganda myth of the elite element of the Conservative Party.  

[Vamps]

To start with the vast majority of the unemployed, including many who have succeeded in higher education and are well qualified, are desperate to work!

Where would they fit in to this grand scheme?

The long term ill, who for no fault of their own cannot work, where do they fit in to this grand scheme?

Those who have worked solidly most of their lives, but have been made redundant in their fifties, where do they fit in to this grand scheme?

Does the grand scheme intend to create mass employment for a decent wage anytime soon, at least for the younger generations?

Would you all be prepared to sacrifice your freedoms along with your dignity when you lose your job, are made redundant, fall ill, etc, etc, and support the grand scheme?

To achieve all the above would you like to vote in this grand scheme on the  back of National Socialism?

If so let's have Hitler back to create jobs, develop industry, have full employment and build up the military to secure it all to achieve the grand scheme.  Oh, and of course murder all disabled, all mentally ill, all those that do not fit in and meet the standards of the scheme, including those of impure race, or perceived enemies of the state who would not bow down to dictatorial rule.

The German Workers National Socialist Part achieved all that, effectively ending any form of welfare for anyone other than top state officials.

Communism also achieved a similar scheme under Stalin, although he actually murdered more people than Hitler ever did.

So before everyone jumps in on the current Coalition bandwagon of getting on top of "benefit scroungers", "those who have their curtains shut when the rest of us go to work",remember what is at stake, and how a state can alienate one group of people against the other very quickly.

I am a Conservative Socialist, and I am now becoming very ashamed of how Cameron & co. are acting against the disadvantaged, the VAST majority of whom are in circumstances they did not cause, and want to get out of.  It was, I am ashamed to say, Maggie Thatcher who let British industry to fade, but, the saving fact is, AFTER previous Labour governments, with unions in charge, allowed it all to become a farce and a laughing stock of the World.  I remember it well!

Now, in the 21st century let us not kick those that are already down who are we well know those who form the poorest part of our society, whilst the rich escape, laughing all the way to the bank, at the expense of the rest of us.

Revolution we do not need as they, ever since the French Revolution 0f 1789, ALWAYS deteriorate into mob rule with disastrous consequences.

No, we need a new  Government, with a new direction to help all the people, especially the young, come through and succeed in life in all respects.

If you do not agree with what I say, well that is up to you.  But it is what I believe after living these 59 years and operating in high business and seeing ugly situations, causing misery to others, but enacting by people with greed in their minds.

Man, and it is MAN, requires urgently strong control to stop man destroying fellow man, and allowing man to commit to constant warre as a natural condition.  The Western Democratic World is now at a critical time. Decisions are required urgently.

Just remember though how previous empires, regimes, and societies have collapsed; they have eat themselves internally until they implode.  Cameron has started us on that road and it is a dangerous one.

 

Lizzie you are missing the point, this is a tongue in cheek but a fair way to deal with the scroungers, not the disabled or people who have contributed to our welfare systems and come upon hard times

It may be meant in tongue in cheek fashion, I would accept that, but the underlying message to all too many at the moment in the Conservative wing of the Coalition is "bash those on benefits" as they are an easy target that the press and general public love to seek blood from.

That policy covers up the Government's failure to grasp the billions being still wasted, and lost through non-collection of tax from the very rich / international companies, along with an inability to provide mass employment.  So the propaganda by the Government continues to take everyone down another false road to cover their shortfalls, and not deal with the real issues.

I personally will not stand by and watch our political system kick the weak.  Jokes about that, although well intentioned, just help the propaganda myth of the elite element of the Conservative Party.

Be fair, that does not come into effect till April next year (Welfare reform act 2012) and then we will see how true some of the OP comments are......Sadly those in genuine need are going to be hit with the same cuts and changes as those who are not...........Most people, and I include myself till a few days ago, do not realise how swathing these cuts and changes are going to be........

[ozzycat]

what about me im 52  i left school at 16 got an aprentichip as a chef didnt like it but got qualifide at the same time went to night school got motor egjneering and welding city& guilds at the same time for 32yrs until 2008 i was 48 xmas holidaynever missed a days work in 32 years collapsed i have never and will never work again acording to this you better kill me now because in her world disabled peopl dont exist