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[albitz]

Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.

Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

Alcohol may well cause damage as well, and I agree it's no good really either. However a good friend of mine after being on cannabis for years turned into a completely different paranoid bloke, constantly having panic attacks and feeling like a fruit loop. So yes, I do see a problem with it being legalised in anyway shape or form.

The real problem imo is the strength of what is smoked.
Some people have been smoking dope as a way of relaxing or in a social gathering for years with no ill effects.
Then again, a very good mate of mine from my school days who has used it since we was kids is totally oppsed up because of the amount he has smoked over the years.
He, as most users started off will a spliff or 2 on a weekend with his mates.
As cigarettes became more expensive, he started to roll his own.  Soon it became too easy to slip a little dope in there.  Next came "skunk" 
Nowdays, he has gone from the kid that everybody at school wanted to be too the kid from school that everybody avoids like the plague 

Sounds like you went to school with my son.He used to be a bright,intelligent,sociable kid who had a very bright future ahead of him,and had girls falling at his feet.Then he discovered Cannabis.He argued that it was his choice of cigarette brand and it was unfortunate that it happened to be illegal etc.
After a couple of years,he was like a zombie,his education was ruined,all his friends were gone,he couldnt even speak to a girl,and his brain was fried.
I used to spend my nights driving round looking for him,not knowing if he was dead or alive.He attempted suicide by various means and was disgusted at himself that he couldnt even do that properly.He cried in my arms like a baby one night,and confessed that the stuff had f****d his head up completely.I thought the stress was going to kill me tbh.
He got to a point where he was so withdrawn I thought I had completely lost him,and I was sure he would succeed in killing himself in the near future. It broke my heart into very small pieces to see my own child like that and to feel utterly helpless about it.
I had a long chat with him one night,and although I dont remember what I said, he later told me that I saved his life that night,and he stopped taking drugs.
Almost 10 years later he is a really lovely bloke who you couldnt dislike if you tried.But he still has major issues with most social situations,and pretty much lives in his bedroom,so a certain amount of permanent damage was done.
I have spoken to medical professionals who say that mental health units up and down the country are overflowing with people who,s brain have been fried by cannabis use.It doesnt affect everyone like that,but no-one knows in the early days of usage if it will affect them or not.So they (and the people who supply it to them) are playing russian roullette with their own sanity,and ultimately,lives.
Legalise it - no. Shoot the suppliers in front of other suppliers - oh yes.

[cem_devecioglu]

I remember the days how I stared smoking cigarettes..
 
if you legalise drugs and even if you put age limits, it will spread easily..  NO..

[tigers_gonads]

Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.

Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

Alcohol may well cause damage as well, and I agree it's no good really either. However a good friend of mine after being on cannabis for years turned into a completely different paranoid bloke, constantly having panic attacks and feeling like a fruit loop. So yes, I do see a problem with it being legalised in anyway shape or form.

The real problem imo is the strength of what is smoked.
Some people have been smoking dope as a way of relaxing or in a social gathering for years with no ill effects.
Then again, a very good mate of mine from my school days who has used it since we was kids is totally oppsed up because of the amount he has smoked over the years.
He, as most users started off will a spliff or 2 on a weekend with his mates.
As cigarettes became more expensive, he started to roll his own.  Soon it became too easy to slip a little dope in there.  Next came "skunk" 
Nowdays, he has gone from the kid that everybody at school wanted to be too the kid from school that everybody avoids like the plague 

Sounds like you went to school with my son.He used to be a bright,intelligent,sociable kid who had a very bright future ahead of him,and had girls falling at his feet.Then he discovered Cannabis.He argued that it was his choice of cigarette brand and it was unfortunate that it happened to be illegal etc.
After a couple of years,he was like a zombie,his education was ruined,all his friends were gone,he couldnt even speak to a girl,and his brain was fried.
I used to spend my nights driving round looking for him,not knowing if he was dead or alive.He attempted suicide by various means and was disgusted at himself that he couldnt even do that properly.He cried in my arms like a baby one night,and confessed that the stuff had f****d his head up completely.I thought the stress was going to kill me tbh.
He got to a point where he was so withdrawn I thought I had completely lost him,and I was sure he would succeed in killing himself in the near future. It broke my heart into very small pieces to see my own child like that and to feel utterly helpless about it.
I had a long chat with him one night,and although I dont remember what I said, he later told me that I saved his life that night,and he stopped taking drugs.
Almost 10 years later he is a really lovely bloke who you couldnt dislike if you tried.But he still has major issues with most social situations,and pretty much lives in his bedroom,so a certain amount of permanent damage was done.
I have spoken to medical professionals who say that mental health units up and down the country are overflowing with people who,s brain have been fried by cannabis use.It doesnt affect everyone like that,but no-one knows in the early days of usage if it will affect them or not.So they (and the people who supply it to them) are playing russian roullette with their own sanity,and ultimately,lives.
Legalise it - no. Shoot the suppliers in front of other suppliers - oh yes.

That took real balls for him to come out and say that.
Serious respect to him 

As for my turn around on "what to do"
The way i'm beginning to see it now is this .................... we have tried the softly softly approach but it doesn't work.
As much as I would love to attend the event on the 3rd Sunday of every month, if we kill off all the dealers, some oppser will take there place because there is power / influence / money in it.
We need to break the cycle somehow 

[Del Boy]

Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.

Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

Alcohol may well cause damage as well, and I agree it's no good really either. However a good friend of mine after being on cannabis for years turned into a completely different paranoid bloke, constantly having panic attacks and feeling like a fruit loop. So yes, I do see a problem with it being legalised in anyway shape or form.

The real problem imo is the strength of what is smoked.
Some people have been smoking dope as a way of relaxing or in a social gathering for years with no ill effects.
Then again, a very good mate of mine from my school days who has used it since we was kids is totally oppsed up because of the amount he has smoked over the years.
He, as most users started off will a spliff or 2 on a weekend with his mates.
As cigarettes became more expensive, he started to roll his own.  Soon it became too easy to slip a little dope in there.  Next came "skunk" 
Nowdays, he has gone from the kid that everybody at school wanted to be too the kid from school that everybody avoids like the plague 

Sounds like you went to school with my son.He used to be a bright,intelligent,sociable kid who had a very bright future ahead of him,and had girls falling at his feet.Then he discovered Cannabis.He argued that it was his choice of cigarette brand and it was unfortunate that it happened to be illegal etc.
After a couple of years,he was like a zombie,his education was ruined,all his friends were gone,he couldnt even speak to a girl,and his brain was fried.
I used to spend my nights driving round looking for him,not knowing if he was dead or alive.He attempted suicide by various means and was disgusted at himself that he couldnt even do that properly.He cried in my arms like a baby one night,and confessed that the stuff had f****d his head up completely.I thought the stress was going to kill me tbh.
He got to a point where he was so withdrawn I thought I had completely lost him,and I was sure he would succeed in killing himself in the near future. It broke my heart into very small pieces to see my own child like that and to feel utterly helpless about it.
I had a long chat with him one night,and although I dont remember what I said, he later told me that I saved his life that night,and he stopped taking drugs.
Almost 10 years later he is a really lovely bloke who you couldnt dislike if you tried.But he still has major issues with most social situations,and pretty much lives in his bedroom,so a certain amount of permanent damage was done.
I have spoken to medical professionals who say that mental health units up and down the country are overflowing with people who,s brain have been fried by cannabis use.It doesnt affect everyone like that,but no-one knows in the early days of usage if it will affect them or not.So they (and the people who supply it to them) are playing russian roullette with their own sanity,and ultimately,lives.
Legalise it - no. Shoot the suppliers in front of other suppliers - oh yes.

Well done to him for getting off of it, and to you for the chat  .

[cleggy]

Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.

Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

Alcohol may well cause damage as well, and I agree it's no good really either. However a good friend of mine after being on cannabis for years turned into a completely different paranoid bloke, constantly having panic attacks and feeling like a fruit loop. So yes, I do see a problem with it being legalised in anyway shape or form.

The real problem imo is the strength of what is smoked.
Some people have been smoking dope as a way of relaxing or in a social gathering for years with no ill effects.
Then again, a very good mate of mine from my school days who has used it since we was kids is totally oppsed up because of the amount he has smoked over the years.
He, as most users started off will a spliff or 2 on a weekend with his mates.
As cigarettes became more expensive, he started to roll his own.  Soon it became too easy to slip a little dope in there.  Next came "skunk" 
Nowdays, he has gone from the kid that everybody at school wanted to be too the kid from school that everybody avoids like the plague 

Sounds like you went to school with my son.He used to be a bright,intelligent,sociable kid who had a very bright future ahead of him,and had girls falling at his feet.Then he discovered Cannabis.He argued that it was his choice of cigarette brand and it was unfortunate that it happened to be illegal etc.
After a couple of years,he was like a zombie,his education was ruined,all his friends were gone,he couldnt even speak to a girl,and his brain was fried.
I used to spend my nights driving round looking for him,not knowing if he was dead or alive.He attempted suicide by various means and was disgusted at himself that he couldnt even do that properly.He cried in my arms like a baby one night,and confessed that the stuff had f****d his head up completely.I thought the stress was going to kill me tbh.
He got to a point where he was so withdrawn I thought I had completely lost him,and I was sure he would succeed in killing himself in the near future. It broke my heart into very small pieces to see my own child like that and to feel utterly helpless about it.
I had a long chat with him one night,and although I dont remember what I said, he later told me that I saved his life that night,and he stopped taking drugs.
Almost 10 years later he is a really lovely bloke who you couldnt dislike if you tried.But he still has major issues with most social situations,and pretty much lives in his bedroom,so a certain amount of permanent damage was done.
I have spoken to medical professionals who say that mental health units up and down the country are overflowing with people who,s brain have been fried by cannabis use.It doesnt affect everyone like that,but no-one knows in the early days of usage if it will affect them or not.So they (and the people who supply it to them) are playing russian roullette with their own sanity,and ultimately,lives.
Legalise it - no. Shoot the suppliers in front of other suppliers - oh yes.

A very moving tale Albitz, I don't mind admitting to  a tear 

Drugs ruin lives and yes freakin shoot the dealers, burn the poppy fields, destroy the cocoa plants, uproot the cannabis plants and toughen the
sentencing and make Russell Brand eat shit

[TheBoy]

H21 is, as always, far too liberal. Bullets are always the answer.

Trouble is, alcohol and fags are effectively drugs. As are Aspirin. We need to be faster to respond to where the line between legal and illegal is. And shoot the illegal.

This new proposal is simply a cop-out.

[symes]

Wow what an idea let everyone get stoned and the government can do what they like cos we too smashed too notice

[cem_devecioglu]

H21 is, as always, far too liberal. Bullets are always the answer.

Trouble is, alcohol and fags are effectively drugs. As are Aspirin. We need to be faster to respond to where the line between legal and illegal is. And shoot the illegal.

This new proposal is simply a cop-out.

yep.. definitely.. 
 
a jewish professor from israel discovered that brain receptors increase when you are addicted to anything.. and he was able to block those receptors and stop addiction by some chemicals..
 
by the way nicotine is an alkoloid and has very similiar molecular structure to eroin..
 
 

[symes]

Of course the Government want to decriminalise drugs-get extra revenue from the tax

[Brikhead]

Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.

I feel the same way about alcohol.

[albitz]

When you look at the carnage on the streets of every town in the country every weekend,I think theres a good case for raisng the legal drinking age to around 25.
That should start an argument.

[D]

Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.

Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

I doubt any doctor with a modicum of self respect and some basic training would say that. In fact tell me his name and I will be most happy to report him to the general medical council for malpractice.

[bigegg]

I personally think that *all* drugs should be legalised, then be made freely available, (or as freely available as alchohol or tobacco).
I don't think it's the govt's place to tell an adult what he/she can put in his/her *own* body.
It's the govt's job to protect us from other people, not ourselves.

However, it will never happen for a variety of reasons:

1. Pressure from the US, whose "war on drugs" is a multi-trillion dollar industry.
b. Legalising drugs would effectively put thousands of people out of work..
4. Unlike tobacco, alcohol, cocao, or alcohol, cannabis is too easy to produce.
 Stick a few seeds in a plantpot, leave it on a warm windowsill and a "user" can grow a personal supply without a great deal of effort. So if it was legalised, people would grow their own, instead of buying the highly taxed govt stuff.

Deaths due to the harder drugs seem to be as much related to inconsistency of strength between batches, leading to overdose.
As to the mental effects of cannabis use, there have been reported cases of other drigs being mixed with cannabis in an effort to "hook" users onto harder drugs.
A government-controlled (or home-produced) supply would, hopefully, alleviate these problems, and enable an accurate study of the side effects to be made.

[Kevin Wood]

When you look at the carnage on the streets of every town in the country every weekend,I think theres a good case for raisng the legal drinking age to around 25.
That should start an argument.

Worked well in the states of the US where you can't drink until 21, and it's vigourously enforced. Teenagers move straight to drugs and skip alcohol entirely.

[Rods2]

When you look at the carnage on the streets of every town in the country every weekend,I think theres a good case for raisng the legal drinking age to around 25.
That should start an argument.

Worked well in the states of the US where you can't drink until 21, and it's vigourously enforced. Teenagers move straight to drugs and skip alcohol entirely.

That will also happen when the 45p per unit alcohol pricing comes in. In Scandanavia when they put alcohol prices up, kids found it cheaper to switch to cannabis, cocaine, heroin etc. So expect this price hike to create a new generation of illegal drug users and addicts.