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Re: Worst ever PM
« Reply #60 on: 12 December 2012, 18:46:56 »

Coz you cant understand articulate queens English you scouse ignoramus. :P
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« Reply #61 on: 12 December 2012, 18:59:35 »

{looks up}  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #62 on: 12 December 2012, 19:08:26 »

Cem,

As I listed the other day on a thread, service industries in the UK run a balance of payment surplus, without which we would be in big trouble, where manufacturing is in a deficit.

Financial services, does not only cover the banks, but also our very successful stock exchange, where many countries industries are listed and Lloyds of London who are the biggest insurance underwriters in the world. Insurance is a major industry for us. Likewise accountancy. two of the global big four have UK headquarters, PWC and Ernst and Young. Other major service sector exports are architecture, engineer consultancy (ARM design the CPUs that power 90% of the worlds mobile phones and tablet computers) computer software (about 10% of worlds computer games are developed here, advertising agencies, books (Harry Potter etc), TV programmes (X factor, who wants to be a millionaire etc), pop music (the US and UK account for about 80% of popular musical groups and global sales), sport (Football, Cricket, Rugby, F1, BSB, Snooker and Darts (about 80% of sports were invented in the UK)), retailing (Tesco, M&S) to name but a few.  :y

Three of our strengths are our legal system , which is why many countries and businesses use English law in contracts, our language, which is the universal business language and also (thanks to the US), the universal programming language and our timezone +/- 8 hours covers most of the industrialized countries of the world. So you can be talking to China and Japan first thing in the morning and California in the late afternoon.  :y

The UK was the worlds leading nation from about 1550 to 1950, when the US took over. Where our Navy used to get around a bit 25% of the earths landmass was part of the British Empire. We had a saying "The sun never sets on the British Empire". Where we seem to like fighting, there are only 22 countries in the world we have never invaded!  ::)

Our biggest problem in the 20th and 21st century have been Labour governments as they have always run out of other people's money. In the 1970's they brought the country to its knees and they may well of done so again, time will tell.  >:(

Mass factory production tends to concentrate in low wage cost countries where it is labour intensive. However robots are changing this as highly automated factories in Europe that employ very few staff can compete. This is one reason French unemployment and productivity are both high. Robots aren't restricted to a 35 hour week.  :y

Manufacturing will significantly contract again over the next few years in all of Western Europe due to the German Greens and the resultant EU energy policies. The US and China are far too sensible to sign up to this fraud. Data showing the world is cooling at the moment, hence the run of European and North American cold winters we are currently experiencing, all governments in on the fraud try to suppress the satellite global temperature sensing data, but it is available on the Internet.

For most of the last 800,000 years the northern hemisphere has been covered in snow and glaciers with unusually low CO2 levels, hence the need to increase CO2 and global temperature, to stop us sliding into the next overdue one.  ::)
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« Reply #63 on: 12 December 2012, 19:59:58 »

Thatcher, worst in my lifetime by a very comfortable margin. 
Proper evil she was, the country has been a much worse place ever since. 
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« Reply #64 on: 13 December 2012, 10:29:11 »

Cem,

As I listed the other day on a thread, service industries in the UK run a balance of payment surplus, without which we would be in big trouble, where manufacturing is in a deficit.


sadly true.. but why ?  because the political/economical power managing your country in the last decades decided that your country must buy from outside instead of producing inside the country (which also prooves my ideas about labour party ;D ).. some football commenter televole economists may claim that this has no harm but thats totally wrong!!!  it will bring UK down to its knees , you will be highly dependant on external parameters  and leave most workers jobless and in a situation of war it will take serious time to start production again.. and there are also countless  harmful side effects that I cant list here..
 
solutions for this problem is not new, well known and valid.. but I'm not sure your multinational companies will permit :(   
 
must add also, no country can stay in that position for long time..
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« Reply #65 on: 13 December 2012, 10:37:08 »

Financial services, does not only cover the banks, but also our very successful stock exchange, where many countries industries are listed and Lloyds of London who are the biggest insurance underwriters in the world. Insurance is a major industry for us. Likewise accountancy. two of the global big four have UK headquarters, PWC and Ernst and Young. Other major service sector exports are architecture, engineer consultancy (ARM design the CPUs that power 90% of the worlds mobile phones and tablet computers) computer software (about 10% of worlds computer games are developed here, advertising agencies, books (Harry Potter etc), TV programmes (X factor, who wants to be a millionaire etc), pop music (the US and UK account for about 80% of popular musical groups and global sales), sport (Football, Cricket, Rugby, F1, BSB, Snooker and Darts (about

Rods the sectors you listed above , feeds only a marginal percentage of country.. what will do the rest ?
 
let me remind you , the countries total debit is increasing and one day IMF will start to dictate harsh laws on your govts .. and I dont want to comment for later events.. :-X
 
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« Reply #66 on: 13 December 2012, 15:01:04 »

Rods2 I cannot argue with your financial knowledge, but I must correct your understanding of the British Empire with your statement to Cem:
"The UK was the worlds leading nation from about 1550 to 1950, when the US took over"

The British Empire grew rather than appeared at a certain date, with steady growth over 200 years based on capitalism and acquisation.  In 1550 England was not a world power.  Spain was. France was.  But the UK did not exist, and it was England that was fighting for its very survival.

In 1558 Elizabeth I came to the throne, a protestant, daughter of Henry VIII, and as far as the King of Spain, Philip II, along with, more importantly, the head of the Catholic Church, Pope Pius IV was concerned she was a "bastard" and an enemy of the Catholic Church.  Indeed Pope Pius V in 1570, whilst Elizabeth was trying to deal with the "difficult" problem of Queen of Mary Scots (a Catholic) she was excommunicated and classed as the "pretended Queen of England, the serpent of wickedness".  This would all lead in 1588 to the Spanish Armada, and King Philips attempt to invade England and take the crown. 

We all know the outcome of that, and although Spain never recovered from the overall costs of that escapade, it remained a world power, with England greatly boosted in confidence, but still not strong enough to take Spain, and France on.  Remember, Henry VIII had spent all the nations wealth on palaces and lavish living, in an even worse way than the Labour Government would do 420+ years later (see history can repeat itself)

It was only in 1603 when James I, VI of Scotland came to power that he brought with him Scotland, Ireland and Wales, to start to form what would become Great Britain.  However, it was England that drove the lust for wealth and power through commerce and industry.  It really was not until The Glorious Revolution of 1688 that the early shoots of real Empire started to form with England's commercial power growing in the City Of London, on the back of the aristocracy and landed gentry investing their wealth into expanding industry, leading up to the start of the Industrial Revolution in 1750. Colonies were also being gathered.

It was after 1688 that the Royal Navy started to gain real strength, with the Dutch navy brought under the command of British Admirals. It was from this time that the key battles took place, leading  up to Trafalgar on 21st October 1805, when the Royal Navy defeated the combined fleets of France and Spain.  This was THE time that the British Empire came into full dominance, being absolutely the supreme naval power across the globe.  The land Battle of Waterloo in 1815 was the final defeat of the French Empire, and gave the British Empire full reign to develop business interests around the World.  On the back of the Industrial Revolution, which technically did not end until the late nineteenth century, British commercial interests fuelled the power house of the greatest Empire known in history.  It was not until Germany came to industrial prominence in the early twentieth century, engaging in an arms race with Britain that led to the complex reasons for the First World War.  With American industrial and commercial power growing, the start of the First World War was the zenith of British power.  It was in decline thereafter, with Great Britain entering World War Two rather depleted.  That war ended with Britain in dire financial straights. A quarter (some £7,000 million) of the national wealth and been lost, she owed  £3,000,000,000 to the USA in loans; £152,000,000 had been lost in dollar and gold reserves; there was the cost of £152,000,000 for property damage and destruction; £700,000,000 in shipping losses, and finally £900,000,000 in stock depreciation and write off.  Britain also had a military  consisting of 9,000,000 personnel, 4 times the pre-war figure.  In short Britain could no longer afford to police, maintain, or even retain her Empire.  It had to go for Great Britain to survive.

Thus with India going in 1947 and most other dependencies and colonies going thereafter, it is considered by historians that the British Empire ended in 1960.

If you are interested to read further on this subject, the books I recommend are:

Cain, P.J. & Hopkins, A.G. British Imperialism 1688-2000 Longman (2002)
Hennessy, P. Never Again Britain 1945-51 Penguin Books (2006)
Hoppit, J. A Land Of Liberty England 1689-1727 Oxford University Press (2000)
Pocock, T. Trafalgar An Eye Witness History The Folio Society (2005)
Sked, A. & Cook, C.  A Political History 1945-1992 Penguin Books (1993)
Weir, A. Elizabeth The Queen Pimlico (1999)

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Re: Worst ever PM
« Reply #67 on: 13 December 2012, 18:24:36 »

You get a grounding of history and economics on these forums, certainly not boring...well not all the time. ;)
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« Reply #68 on: 13 December 2012, 18:42:07 »

You get a grounding of history and economics on these forums, certainly not boring...well not all the time. ;)

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We try, without I hope preaching!  ::) ::) ::)

I like to create an interest in a subject I am personally passionate about, which I think helps to explain where, and why, Britain is in the position it is. :) :)
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