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[Steve B]

enoch powell......................am i banned

[flyer 0712]

I think even Enoch would turn in his grave now..with whats going on in this country ..one way or another...

[the alarming man]

worst mp...tracy crouch

[Steve B]

I think even Enoch would turn in his grave now..with whats going on in this country ..one way or another...

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,,,i agree..what a sheme

[Terbs]

Did you see the latest census results that have been released.......Not really delved too much but one result was that 'white british' are in a minority in London.

Errr....I don't think I needed a census to tell me that

[albitz]

It may surprise people to know that Michael Foot and his wife often had Enoch Powell and his wife over for dinner,long after Enoch commited political suicide with his "rivers of blood" speech.

[Steve B]

Did you see the latest census results that have been released.......Not really delved too much but one result was that 'white british' are in a minority in London.

Errr....I don't think I needed a census to tell me that

yes i did ...top right of the screen people.. look at it ...we are history

http://news.sky.com/story/1023763/census-rise-in-immigrants-boosts-population

[the alarming man]

It may surprise people to know that Michael Foot and his wife often had Enoch Powell and his wife over for dinner,long after Enoch commited political suicide with his "rivers of blood" speech.

is that the same speech were he muttered words about sending them all back,or words to that effect???

[Steve B]

It may surprise people to know that Michael Foot and his wife often had Enoch Powell and his wife over for dinner,long after Enoch commited political suicide with his "rivers of blood" speech.

is that the same speech were he muttered words about sending them all back,or words to that effect???

i think he was just trying to let us what we were in for and what we were doing .....and now i am aware that he did not talk crap and that he seen the future..he was dead right....so he goes there as my top mp............

[albitz]

Yep.Its still a surpirse to me that he made that speeech tbh.Nothing to do with how true or otherwise his predictions were,but it should have been obvious to him that his career was finished the minute the words came out of his mouth.
He was an extremely intelligent man,almost scarily so.He was on a different level intellectualy to almost all of his peers,and may well have been a future PM until that night.If he had worded it differently,his future and indeed the future of the country might just have been quite different ? Difficult to tell really.
The sad thing was that the NF type thugs latched onto some of his words and made hime their hero,and gave right wing politics a bad name which lasts to this day.
I have read that he was not at all a racist.He lived in Africa in his younger days,and loved the place and its people.He was reported to have wept,when he saw footage of South African police attacking black South Africans.
He was certainly an enigmatic character,but I loved to listen to him speak,just for the pleasure of hearing the great use of the language and see the intelligence in those piercing eyes,even when he was a very old man.

He hwas 100% right about Europe though.It was as though he could see into the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alld4Og2sTE

A 48 minute documentary here for the insomniacs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXi6TMG8hTE

[cleggy]

Powell was just using a letter from a lady constituent about changes in the road she lived on to form the basis of his speech.

How accurate it was to become, indeed how far sighted, the trouble was a great man and politician has his career ruined by the left and liberals. If only we had listened

We now reap the rewards

[Vamps]

It may surprise people to know that Michael Foot and his wife often had Enoch Powell and his wife over for dinner,long after Enoch commited political suicide with his "rivers of blood" speech.

is that the same speech were he muttered words about sending them all back,or words to that effect???

i think he was just trying to let us what we were in for and what we were doing .....and now i am aware that he did not talk crap and that he seen the future..he was dead right....so he goes there as my top mp............

Immigrants= full employment, British= the state will pay, simplistic, but someone prove me wrong.....

[Terbs]

Purely hypothetical........

But had Enoch been alive and delivered that speech after the recent riots, what do you think the reaction would have been to it

The same as before, or fuelled more riots, from whatever faction......supporting or against ?
Just interested to know what you think.....

[cleggy]

Purely hypothetical........

But had Enoch been alive and delivered that speech after the recent riots, what do you think the reaction would have been to it

The same as before, or fuelled more riots, from whatever faction......supporting or against ?
Just interested to know what you think.....

You know my opinion ----- send the freakers who do not contibute or try to change this country back to their country of origin

[albitz]

His concerns about uncontrolled mass immigration were correct imo,but to use the phrase "the black man will have the whip hand" and the mention of foaming red like the river Tiber etc. were very insensitively worded,and very easily (mis?) construed to include all immigrants and all black/non white people,thus feeding the mentality of mindless racists rather than people who had genuine concerns about an almost complete lack of control on our borders.
The stigma from that lasted long enough for anyone who had concerns about the more recent wave of completely uncontrolled immigration to be immediately shouted down as a mindless racist.
I just wish he had worded it differently.
An absolutely fascinating character though imo,whose whole life unfortunately has been largely ignored apart from certain parts of that one speech.