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Parking charge advice.
« on: 13 December 2012, 16:28:44 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAIcdi9niHA          If it's a Private Parking Company notice then just bin it and forget it. Ignore all the tat they send through the post and they'll eventually get the message
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« Reply #1 on: 13 December 2012, 22:08:05 »

yep, thanks to sound advice here that put my mind at rest, that proved to be correct in my case. :)

didnt click the link btw
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« Reply #2 on: 13 December 2012, 22:27:31 »

that is untill they goto county court and the charges mount up and the county court bailif turns up and takes your car or goods to the value of...just like our parking company will and have done ,much better to park somewhere you wont get a ticket
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« Reply #3 on: 13 December 2012, 22:30:19 »

...like in a CAR PARK at B+Q you mean?
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Re: Parking charge advice.
« Reply #4 on: 14 December 2012, 02:00:06 »

Beware that video is out of date, the law changed in October 2012.  Now they don't have to find the driver; they can claim from the owner even if they don't know who the driver was.  They do have to follow strict new procedures though.

Since October the best defence is to either prove you didn't see a sign or establish that you couldn't reasonably be expected to see the sign, or that it is not resonable to think that their sign relates to where the car was parked.   Therefore you have not entered into a contract with them.  Vine against London Borough of Waltam Forest  indicates that to establish a contract you would need to demonstrate that the car driver actually saw and understood the significance of a warning notice or notices (http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2000/106.html). Judges  however are likely to decide you did actually see the sign (despite what you claim) if it was reasonable for you to have seen it and understood it. 

If that fails tell them their ‘fine’ is an unfair term in a contract, contrary to section 5 of the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (below)
“5.—(1) A contractual term which has not been individually negotiated shall be regarded as unfair if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer.
(2) A term shall always be regarded as not having been individually negotiated where it has been drafted in advance and the consumer has therefore not been able to influence the substance of the term.
(4) It shall be for any seller or supplier who claims that a term was individually negotiated to show that it was.”   Untested as yet, if you were not the driver I don't see how you could see the contract to accept it.   

Failing that tell them the fine exceeds any conceivable loss or damage caused by the alleged trespass, especially if no marked bay was occupied by the vehicle and the road was not obstructed. It is very doubtful that merely the costs incurred in policing the area and  enforcing the fine can justify the fine itself.

If they hassle you or send debt collectors round this can be classed as harassment. Regard any contact with debt collectors, or by their debt collecting department, or warnings of the involvement of debt collectors, as unreasonable and unlawful harassment as per section 40 of the Admin of Justice Act 1970:

“40. (1)A person commits an offence if, with the object of coercing another person to pay money claimed from the other as a debt due under a contract, he—
(a)harasses the other with demands for payment which, in respect of their frequency or the manner or occasion of making any such demand, or of any threat or publicity by which any demand is accompanied, are calculated to subject him or members of his family or household to alarm, distress or humiliation;
(b)falsely represents, in relation to the money claimed, that criminal proceedings lie for failure to pay it;
(c)falsely represents himself to be authorised in some official capacity to claim or enforce payment; or
(d)utters a document falsely represented by him to have some official character or purporting to have some official character which he knows it has not.
(2)A person may be guilty of an offence by virtue of subsection (1)(a) above if he concerts with others in the taking of such action as is described in that paragraph, notwithstanding that his own course of conduct does not by itself amount to harassment. “

The design and wording of the initial ‘parking ticket’ is probably already a breach 40 (d) above, in that it will I am sure resemble an official public parking ticket much more closely than is necessary or reasonable for its purpose.
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« Reply #5 on: 14 December 2012, 08:08:32 »

Currently ignoring one of these ::) Alledged offence was in September, so the new law can whistle Dixie.

Couple of points to note:

1. Most, if not all of these so called parking management firms have been or still are banned from using the DVLA database as a direct result of misusing the database and information supplied from it. This alone should tell you alot...

2. The revised law only applies to England/Wales. Ineffectual in Scotland :-\

There's a huge amount of useful information on The Money Expert site regarding these parasitic tosspots.
The least you can do is treat them with the contempt that they deserve :y
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« Reply #6 on: 14 December 2012, 09:56:23 »

They make such a  lovely sound going through the shredder. :D
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« Reply #7 on: 14 December 2012, 15:20:28 »

 ;D indeed they do  :y
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« Reply #8 on: 14 December 2012, 16:27:16 »

 The parking fines or the enforcers/baliffs make a lovely sound going through the shreader?
My son got a notice on his golf. he knew he wasnt parked where they said on the day in question. After several threatening letters, he asked for photographic proof as they said got hs address from DVLA database. Photo had a mercedes with his plate on it. Several apologetic letters came back with a cxheque for "goodwill gesture" after pointing out he owned a Golf and why hadnt they picked that up from the DVLA enquiry?
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« Reply #9 on: 14 December 2012, 16:52:25 »

 ;D Both :y

The bailiffs take a bit longer and are generally messier though ;D
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« Reply #10 on: 14 December 2012, 17:15:49 »

I got a £45 ticket for being 7 minutes late back to the car last week. Unfortunately it was a council run car park so I paid up. :(
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« Reply #11 on: 14 December 2012, 22:49:54 »

I don't think that it was the council rather than a private firm makes much difference but if you had already paid and overran it would be difficult impossible to argue you had not entered into a contract.
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« Reply #12 on: 14 December 2012, 23:08:07 »

 most of them from privite companys are parking charge notices.
 its a form of unsolicited invoice.
   look here  http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/parking-ticket-appeals
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Re: Parking charge advice.
« Reply #13 on: 15 December 2012, 11:40:05 »

Guys just read the signs when you enter a private land site.... A lot of sites only issue if they have too I.E. landlord get complaints from tennants of abuse of P/T and disablity bays, i saw a guy who parked up yesterday in a Disabilty bay with no badge so all i did was ask him do you have a blue badge?? he says no.. so i then ask him to park elsewhere on site.. you get the "there`s no spaces!!!" to which i reply theres always a space sir... Now the only reason he`s parked there is go to the gym, dunno why it is but it always seems to be gym members who do this....anyways  he moves his car and i get the "you f***king jobs worth!!!" i dont care i really dont..... So i suppose what i`m saying is you have a brain in your head you have eyes and ears and hopefully you have intelligance as well.. So read the signs and obey the site rules its simple and hopefully will result in no tickets... Park outside of the rules then take reponsibilty for your actions....
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« Reply #14 on: 15 December 2012, 13:25:42 »

Guys just read the signs when you enter a private land site.... A lot of sites only issue if they have too I.E. landlord get complaints from tennants of abuse of P/T and disablity bays, i saw a guy who parked up yesterday in a Disabilty bay with no badge so all i did was ask him do you have a blue badge?? he says no.. so i then ask him to park elsewhere on site.. you get the "there`s no spaces!!!" to which i reply theres always a space sir... Now the only reason he`s parked there is go to the gym, dunno why it is but it always seems to be gym members who do this....anyways  he moves his car and i get the "you f***king jobs worth!!!" i dont care i really dont..... So i suppose what i`m saying is you have a brain in your head you have eyes and ears and hopefully you have intelligance as well.. So read the signs and obey the site rules its simple and hopefully will result in no tickets... Park outside of the rules then take reponsibilty for your actions....

Thoroughly agree Bertie. :y
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