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[tidla]

recent quote figure for camber setting is n 1.10' (increased inner tyre wear the greater the figure)

[davemac]

I'm thinking I will ask my garage to check and fix anything wrong first.

Then take the car to WIM.

 

[feeutfo]

Yes, both on the inside edge.

The before and after settings are:
 Left front camber -2.10, caster 5.17, toe -2.07 - now -2.20, 5.17. 0.04
 right front camber -2.18, caster 5.30, toe - 2.07 - now -2.33, 5.30, 0.05.

Total toe was -4.14 front 0.18 rear - now is 0.09 front and 0.19 rear.

. Those settings are an absolute disgrace. As said, visit wheels in motion chesham.
But first, you must check the car is worth setting up. The front bushes are likely shot as you don't mention wishbones. Strongly consider poly bushes from power flex. Check track rods, wheel bearings, steering idler, in feet check everything for play.

THEN get it set up at wim. With setting like that its no wonder its appalling to drive. Who did the work?

For example, front camber should be -1.10mins.

And toe should be -10mins ( minutes being 60mins to 1 degree. ) so yours has almost exactly 2 degrees too much toe in. And 1 degree too much camber. Wim have an error of +/- 10mins

I think your settings are a decimal fraction of a degree, as opposed to mins of a degree, but even so, there's no way 2 degrees should feature in camber or toe settings.

[davemac]

The work was done by Kwik Fit in Windsor. The took over Central Tyres in October and kept the same staff. I thought Central were ok but obviously not.

[ffcgary1]

YOU CANT GET THICKER THAN A KWICK FIT FITTER

[davemac]

 

[feeutfo]

Should also add, the new tyres will be suffering badly with those settings, so it's wise to keep use minimal, as you have, from a wear point of view as well.

[davemac]

Thanks Chris.

I have literally driven about 50 miles on them, mainly to the garage and back lol!

I have just written to WIM for their advice too, I will let my garage know what everyone has been kind enough to suggest.

I hope I will be able to enjoy driving the car soon!

Dave.

[Andy H]

Yes, both on the inside edge.

The before and after settings are:
 Left front camber -2.10, caster 5.17, toe -2.07 - now -2.20, 5.17. 0.04
 right front camber -2.18, caster 5.30, toe - 2.07 - now -2.33, 5.30, 0.05.

Total toe was -4.14 front 0.18 rear - now is 0.09 front and 0.19 rear.

.
And toe should be -10mins ( minutes being 60mins to 1 degree. ) so yours has almost exactly 2 degrees too much toe in. And 1 degree too much camber. Wim have an error of +/- 10mins

I read it as Toe before L -2.07 R -2.07 after L +0.04 R +0.05

A little bit of toe out can make an otherwise sweet handling RWD car feel vague 

(The other settings guarantee that it is anything but sweet handling of course..........)

[tidla]

Yes, both on the inside edge.

The before and after settings are:
 Left front camber -2.10, caster 5.17, toe -2.07 - now -2.20, 5.17. 0.04
 right front camber -2.18, caster 5.30, toe - 2.07 - now -2.33, 5.30, 0.05.

Total toe was -4.14 front 0.18 rear - now is 0.09 front and 0.19 rear.

. Those settings are an absolute disgrace. As said, visit wheels in motion chesham.
But first, you must check the car is worth setting up. The front bushes are likely shot as you don't mention wishbones. Strongly consider poly bushes from power flex. Check track rods, wheel bearings, steering idler, in feet check everything for play.

THEN get it set up at wim. With setting like that its no wonder its appalling to drive. Who did the work?

For example, front camber should be -1.10mins.

And toe should be -10mins ( minutes being 60mins to 1 degree. ) so yours has almost exactly 2 degrees too much toe in. And 1 degree too much camber. Wim have an error of +/- 10mins

I think your settings are a decimal fraction of a degree, as opposed to mins of a degree, but even so, there's no way 2 degrees should feature in camber or toe settings.

done a video of perfectly motable bushes the other week.

http://s1114.beta.photobucket.com/user/tidla1/media/20121228_113608_zpsbc553586.mp4.html






poly fitted.

[feeutfo]

Yes, both on the inside edge.

The before and after settings are:
 Left front camber -2.10, caster 5.17, toe -2.07 - now -2.20, 5.17. 0.04
 right front camber -2.18, caster 5.30, toe - 2.07 - now -2.33, 5.30, 0.05.

Total toe was -4.14 front 0.18 rear - now is 0.09 front and 0.19 rear.

.
And toe should be -10mins ( minutes being 60mins to 1 degree. ) so yours has almost exactly 2 degrees too much toe in. And 1 degree too much camber. Wim have an error of +/- 10mins

I read it as Toe before L -2.07 R -2.07 after L +0.04 R +0.05

A little bit of toe out can make an otherwise sweet handling RWD car feel vague 

(The other settings guarantee that it is anything but sweet handling of course..........)

Actually yes.

[davemac]

Just a follow up on this post fellow Oofs!

I have collected the car yesterday having had a lot of work done. Basically I said to my garage to keep me informed of what they found and I would yay or nay as we went along. Many yays and £££'s later I have had the following replaced:
Tie rod ends x2, link arms x2, both shocks and top mounts, both suspension arms and ARB bushes.
Parts used were Lemforder and another name which I can't remember but was also on some of the GM original parts replaced.
I was shown the replaced parts and there were a lot of splits and tears in the bushes pretty well everywhere. The shocks were weak - very easily compressed by hand - and the top mounts were compacted by over 10mm compared to the new ones.

The overall result is that the car is now totally driveable! :-) On a quiet straight road I gradually increased speed and braking and there is minimal pulling either with hands off the wheel or braking hard.

I have no idea what the geometry is now but feel the car is in a fit state to take to Wheels in Motion, hopefully next week.
Will be calling them on Monday morning - unless they are there today.

Many thanks to all for your guidance and suggestions following my post 

Dave.

[feeutfo]

When you get it on Wims ramp, get them to undo the front wishbone bolts, then re tighten them to 120nm plus angle tighten 30 then 15 degrees.

These must be tightened with wheels loaded, or the bushes will fail early.

[davemac]

Thanks Chris,
I will note that down and ask that they do that.
Do you have any idea of their cost for a full geometry set-up?

:-)

[feeutfo]

£60 plus vat if you mention oof. Although it may have gone up since I was there last.