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Author Topic: Our unhappy, un-exited, depressed youth culture.  (Read 5517 times)

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Re: Our unhappy, un-exited, depressed youth culture.
« Reply #15 on: 03 January 2013, 09:12:27 »

Bionic sounds a lot like me, but i tend to keep my rants to myself, i dont like to upset folk  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: 03 January 2013, 09:17:49 »

The trouble with problem children is that after they graduate from being bullies with no respect, destroying property and generally being a PITA, with no concept of reality is that they end up in the Cabinet  ;D ;D
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Re: Our unhappy, un-exited, depressed youth culture.
« Reply #17 on: 03 January 2013, 17:13:17 »

Quite a general statement, I grew up playing PC games. Lemmings, Duke Nukem, Quake, Carmageddon, were big ones. FatherT used to bring his work PC home in the car, before days of laptops. He had a company Ford Granada at the time!

Since switched to console games now, bit of Battlefield 3 and so on. But my work life is also heavily IT, mobile TV streaming, broadcast services and iOS/Android Apps.

I was well aware what is reality and what's not, after years of computer games now with a good job I enjoy travelling the world :)

Thing is not everyone is the same, think your trying to paint too many people with the same brush  ;)
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« Reply #18 on: 03 January 2013, 17:17:02 »

And look what happened to you. :P :D ;D ;D
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« Reply #19 on: 03 January 2013, 17:19:30 »

And look what happened to you. :P :D ;D ;D

Good point  :D  ;D  ;D  ;D  :y
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Re: Our unhappy, un-exited, depressed youth culture.
« Reply #20 on: 03 January 2013, 17:54:37 »

Tony Blair and New Labour robbed a generation of Britain's youth of opportunity when he opened our borders to Eastern European EU countries in 2004.  They took the low and semi skilled jobs that traditionally would have been the first rung on the employment ladder for young people.  >:(
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Re: Our unhappy, un-exited, depressed youth culture.
« Reply #21 on: 03 January 2013, 18:45:07 »

Politics aside, there's not many natives at all, let alone younger natives who wish to do many of these low paid unskilled jobs. I know quite a few Poles who have such jobs, and according to them Brits turn up to a chicken processing factory for example, last a few days and aren't seen again. Explains why 'foreigners' have these jobs.
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Re: Our unhappy, un-exited, depressed youth culture.
« Reply #22 on: 03 January 2013, 19:10:08 »

Politics aside, there's not many natives at all, let alone younger natives who wish to do many of these low paid unskilled jobs. I know quite a few Poles who have such jobs, and according to them Brits turn up to a chicken processing factory for example, last a few days and aren't seen again. Explains why 'foreigners' have these jobs.

In my day the local Buxted chicken factory, used to be the last port of call after trying anything and everything else, so nothing changes then.  ::) :o :o :o
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« Reply #23 on: 03 January 2013, 19:30:03 »

I really can't see things getting better any time soon. Cancel that...any time at all. I go through phases of calling the young 'uns lazy little bastards, then I put myself in their position and feel quite sorry for them.
I could go on for hours about the rights and wrongs of this and that, but it's all been said by people more clever than me.
As far as I can see, the major cause of dissatisfaction is the 'I want' or 'I deserve' culture, which they truly believe...I think. Hardly surprising in a society where success is judged on the number of ipads, video games players etc. we possess. They are constantly bombarded by such things on telly and big companies cannot survive unless we all 'upgrade' every 12 months or so.
When we were growing up, I don't think we were subjected to such pressure. And, if we weren't that good at school, we accepted that there would still be a pretty reasonable job at the end of it. Working in a car plant or one of the multitude of small factory units, although mind-numbing, was reasonably payed.
I have no idea what the answer is, but I do know that, amongst the neer-do-wells that grab the headlines, there is a core of willing and 'normal' kids who would love to just do all the things we did.
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« Reply #24 on: 03 January 2013, 19:58:25 »

Politics aside, there's not many natives at all, let alone younger natives who wish to do many of these low paid unskilled jobs. I know quite a few Poles who have such jobs, and according to them Brits turn up to a chicken processing factory for example, last a few days and aren't seen again. Explains why 'foreigners' have these jobs.

I dont buy into that argument at all Im afraid.If there were any truth in it,who did all the menial low paids jobs 15 years ago before the recent inlux of mass migration ?
The Brits have always been among the hardest working,most inventive people in the world throughout history.I dont believe that national characteristic has changed beyond recognition in less than one generation.
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Re: Our unhappy, un-exited, depressed youth culture.
« Reply #25 on: 03 January 2013, 20:26:29 »

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone as i cant be arsed to get in to an argument.

what i'l say is this.....

i have absolutely no idea whether the majority of todays' youth are happy or unhappy and i dont believe one survey would represent the entire view on their lives for all of the kids.

with regards to respect in school thats something i do know about..... being in college at the mo...... EVERYONE has to call the teacher sir or mr/mrs.... there are teachers that get trampled on by the kids.. they talk throughout classes if they can get away with it with certain teachers. me as a 30 year old gezer finds that pretty boring and disrespectful... but im sure i was like them at that age.
HOWEVER, there is one teacher who commands respect and silence when he's teaching. and he never shouts. occasionally he can be a bit odd, but for the most part he'll treat you as his friend. if the kids do abything bad he belittles them without shouting. its what jeremy clarkson calls the ''i'm disapointed in you'' card. and that works.

as for the kids i call my class mates, theyre really trying to get on. theyre very happy... theyres not a moment goes by without a laugh. but they enjoy what we do. my point is this... show me a bunch of kids that are depressed and fed up with everything and ill show you my class mates who are very happy.

as said not arguing. just my observations from real life situations ive been in :)

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Re: Our unhappy, un-exited, depressed youth culture.
« Reply #26 on: 03 January 2013, 20:29:59 »

Politics aside, there's not many natives at all, let alone younger natives who wish to do many of these low paid unskilled jobs. I know quite a few Poles who have such jobs, and according to them Brits turn up to a chicken processing factory for example, last a few days and aren't seen again. Explains why 'foreigners' have these jobs.

I dont buy into that argument at all Im afraid.If there were any truth in it,who did all the menial low paids jobs 15 years ago before the recent inlux of mass migration ?
The Brits have always been among the hardest working,most inventive people in the world throughout history.I dont believe that national characteristic has changed beyond recognition in less than one generation.

Well it's a fact Albs, I'm not making broad swearing statements and tarring everyone with the same brush like a lot of people seem to do, but it's certainly a significant trend in society.
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Re: Our unhappy, un-exited, depressed youth culture.
« Reply #27 on: 03 January 2013, 20:38:27 »

Being young myself I think with all the crap that is on the news today people tend to focus all the negativity they see on the news and other places with all of a specific generation and not base their opinion on the person they meet but rather on what they see or hear.

 I often had people call me trouble, call me a waste of space, etc purely based on the way I dressed as I was a skater I tended to wear baggy clothes, people would not judge me on who I actually was, and I had seen this happen to many people, Once whilst delivering papers on my round I was going into a house to post a paper at the same time as one of their elderly neighbours, he walked away and waited untill I left the garden based purely on my dress sense, because accorrding to the media youths were all trouble!

So all I have to say is don't base judgement on what is read or purely passed on about a certain generation, a certain culture, etc because not all of them are the same it is usually just the minority of them that are like that, make judgement on the people themselves as you may be quite surprised as to how different those people are to what you believe.

Majority of people I meet from the age of 13 to my age are generally quite happy and are well in tune with the real world, the only ones I tend to find who are unhappy or depressed are the bullied who get what they don't deserve either because of the way they look or the lack of things they have, etc, and also the spoilt who get given far too much and have everything handed to them on a plate to make life easier and seem to think they should have more because that is how they were brought up, I know a few people who are always complaining they are unhappy because they don't have this and they don't have that because their parents spoon fed them everything, I also know a lot of gamers who a very happy and also are very in tune with reality, they have a good balance between work, gaming and a social life.
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« Reply #28 on: 03 January 2013, 20:48:37 »

No group of people can be classified so easily. We are all different, thank God, and I think a lot of these 'surveys' which are carried out are motivated either by politics or for commercial reasons, certainly by some self-interested party.
I hear so much about, say, obesity. When I walk around my northern, working class neck of the woods I don't see one in three people as obese. Bit, if you believe the hype, I should be falling over them.
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« Reply #29 on: 03 January 2013, 21:12:03 »

Politics aside, there's not many natives at all, let alone younger natives who wish to do many of these low paid unskilled jobs. I know quite a few Poles who have such jobs, and according to them Brits turn up to a chicken processing factory for example, last a few days and aren't seen again. Explains why 'foreigners' have these jobs.

I dont buy into that argument at all Im afraid.If there were any truth in it,who did all the menial low paids jobs 15 years ago before the recent inlux of mass migration ?
The Brits have always been among the hardest working,most inventive people in the world throughout history.I dont believe that national characteristic has changed beyond recognition in less than one generation.

Well it's a fact Albs, I'm not making broad swearing statements and tarring everyone with the same brush like a lot of people seem to do, but it's certainly a significant trend in society.

Its not a fact at all imo,its a myth perpetuated by the lefty media to excuse the criminal act of allowing completely unchecked immigration into the U.K. in the last decade.
Ive mentioned it before,but as an example of how it works the other way too - my last employer sacked me on the spot (after 20 years of very hard work and extremely loyal service)for having a disabilty,then replaced me with a recent migrant from Eastern Europe who was half my age.The quality of his work was appalling and he did so much damage to expensive equipment it would have been much more cost effective to have paid him his wages and told him to stay at home.He had a complete "couldnt give a toss" attitude to the job.
I also believe that a fact which is underpublicised is that quite a high percentage of the criminals in this country nowadays are immigrants who have no interest in doing an honest days work,but who came here for easy pickings in a rich country with an extremely soft justice system.
I had a group of Eastern Europeans fitting a kitchen in my house a couple of yeard ago,and it was like watching a Laurel & Hardy film.
The workmanship was beyond belief.They had to take it all out and reinstall it three times,and it took over 3 months to get the job done to a standard which was anywhere near acceptable.
Imo,if theres a problem with the yoof of today in this country its that the last govt. gave them an overblown sense of entitlement.
The entitlement to sit on their arse if they felt like it,or if they actually wanted to make something of their lives,an entitlement to go to uni,get a degree (often in media studies,possibly majoring in Take That, the early years) and then feeling entitled to have a very highly paid glamourous job at the ned of it.
If govts. in eastern Europe had socially engineered their current generation the way ours did with this generation,then they would have the same problems we now have.
If we can over time,steer the country back to less glamorous businesses (such as relatively small scale high quality manufacturing) and educate our young in a way that they are happy to build a long term career in these jobs (rather than wanting to be a reality TV instant superstar,without any discernable talent) then we cna rebuild our reputation of being a country of hard working,creative,inventive people and the Union flag displayed prominently on products can be a sign of quality products across the world as it used to be.
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