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[Varche]

Well he has leaked enough to the media for us to already know what he is going to say on this difficult subject

1. We can't do much because we are hogtied in this infernal coalition without which I wouldn't be on the gravy train.

2. There are a lot of people who want Britain out of the EU. I am not one of them as I like all the jaunts to the summits.

3. I want to get re elected (some hope) and so this is what I promise you. We will have a referendum on returning some powers to Britain but only on condition that you all vote me back in - without me having to form a coalition with UKIP or Lib Dems. 

I had been looking forward to his speech on Friday but methinks it will be a damp squib. I still stand by my assertion that Britain will be in the Euro in less than five years time (assuming there is a Euro by then).

[Terbs]

As said many times, Cameron will never have an in/out referendum.

The plain facts of the matter.....

People of the UK do not wish to be ruled by Europe.
People of the UK wish to trade with all countries, European and the rest of the world.

Simples.

I saw one minister (Irish Republic) at the weekend let it slip about  'When Europe becomes one country'. This was him talking about the chance of UK referendum in any form. Dead against it!!!!

Vote UKIP

[Sir Tigger KC]

The Doomsayers are out in force and getting plenty of exposure in the media especially the BBC!!   

I'm starting to get depressed about it to be honest.  I don't think there ever will be a referendum and certainly not a simple In/Out one!     UKIP are merely a sideshow who will split the Tory vote which will let Labour (Or Lab/Lib) in and then we'll be back on the tax and spend merry-go-round, which will eventually lead to an IMF/EU bailout.... 

I don't go along with Varche's assertion that a condition of an EU bailout will be Britain's entry to the Eurozone, but it will mean ever closer ties to the EU along the lines of the Banking union, financial tax and yes eventually we'll all be paying a direct PAYE EU tax... 

[mantahatch]

The Doomsayers are out in force and getting plenty of exposure in the media especially the BBC!!   

I'm starting to get depressed about it to be honest.  I don't think there ever will be a referendum and certainly not a simple In/Out one!     UKIP are merely a sideshow who will split the Tory vote which will let Labour (Or Lab/Lib) in and then we'll be back on the tax and spend merry-go-round, which will eventually lead to an IMF/EU bailout.... 

I don't go along with Varche's assertion that a condition of an EU bailout will be Britain's entry to the Eurozone, but it will mean ever closer ties to the EU along the lines of the Banking union, financial tax and yes eventually we'll all be paying a direct PAYE EU tax... 

The reason the tory vote is split is thefault of the tories. They have become the wishy washy party I cannot vote for again. And I have always voted tory since I was 18, now 47.

I am fed up with politicians telling us how good or bad something will be if we change it. The problem is governments and councils should do what the people want, that is what they are there for. If the majority want out of the EU then it should happen whether good or bad.

[Terbs]

The Doomsayers are out in force and getting plenty of exposure in the media especially the BBC!!   

I'm starting to get depressed about it to be honest.  I don't think there ever will be a referendum and certainly not a simple In/Out one!     UKIP are merely a sideshow who will split the Tory vote which will let Labour (Or Lab/Lib) in and then we'll be back on the tax and spend merry-go-round, which will eventually lead to an IMF/EU bailout.... 

I don't go along with Varche's assertion that a condition of an EU bailout will be Britain's entry to the Eurozone, but it will mean ever closer ties to the EU along the lines of the Banking union, financial tax and yes eventually we'll all be paying a direct PAYE EU tax... 

The reason the tory vote is split is thefault of the tories. They have become the wishy washy party I cannot vote for again. And I have always voted tory since I was 18, now 47.

I am fed up with politicians telling us how good or bad something will be if we change it. The problem is governments and councils should do what the people want, that is what they are there for. If the majority want out of the EU then it should happen whether good or bad.

I agree Mike....
So basically, we are being told, if we leave, the world will shun us, no-one will trade with us, we will be 'sent to Coventry' we will fall apart. Cobblers....this country is bigger than that, we survived WW2 initially when Europe was part of Germany (and as it again becoming), nobody came to help at the start, but our resolve came through. And it would again Its a big wide world out there !!!!!!

[albitz]

No doubt Camoron will demonstrate once again his skill at speaking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.
Theres no doubt that UKIP are splitting the Tory vote,but they have little or no chance of winning the next election anyway.It seems that too many people have a sense of entitlement instilled by Labour and they will vote against these bastids "cause they gonna stop my money". Hence,Millipedes new one nation Labour have a huge lead in the polls.
The only hope the Tories have is to generate some decent growth quickly,so they can start throwing money at the money monster before the election - cant see it happening.
The fact that a retard such as Millipede can achieve a huge lead in the opinion polls suggests to me that if the three main parties decide to collude and have a slick high profile pro EU campaign,before announcing a referendum,they may well con enough people into voting the way they want them to.
I hate to have to say it and I hope Im wrong,but that seems to me to be the reality.

[Kevin Wood]

This "renegotiation" with the EU is what makes me laugh. Does he expect them to negotiate with him? If so, he's pretty naive. If not, it's another broken promise in the making.

We ARE in the situation that Europe has an established mechanism for taking over powers from our national government thanks to the treaties that new liebore fell for hook, line and sinker. What's he going to do? Go cap in hand to Baroso and ask please, sir, help me out or nobody will vote for me? 

The fact of the matter is that the people of the UK want no more EU integration than we have now, and probably less, with a significant minority wanting a complete cutting of ties. For the political classes in the UK, however, withdrawing from the EU agenda is like turkeys voting for Christmas. The EU have cynically ensured that every pro-EU politician gets his bed feathered very nicely when his excession from national politics to the Brussels gravy train takes place.

So, widening gap between what the people want and what parliament is willing to offer them. If that gap gets wide enough, it could turn quite nasty. No wonder councils are turning off the street lights. The next step will be to remove them, before MPs start to get hung from them.

[cleggy]

Camoron is a politician so his speech on Friday will be the equivalent of crossing Bulldog with a Shitzu.

VOTE UKIP

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I am simply going to wait for the outcome of that announcement. Simples, enough has been said already and we can all speculate!

[mantahatch]

Quote from: Mantahatch on Today at 10:46:47

    Quote from: TiggerHayes on Today at 10:33:32

        The Doomsayers are out in force and getting plenty of exposure in the media especially the BBC!!   

        I'm starting to get depressed about it to be honest.  I don't think there ever will be a referendum and certainly not a simple In/Out one!     UKIP are merely a sideshow who will split the Tory vote which will let Labour (Or Lab/Lib) in and then we'll be back on the tax and spend merry-go-round, which will eventually lead to an IMF/EU bailout.... 

        I don't go along with Varche's assertion that a condition of an EU bailout will be Britain's entry to the Eurozone, but it will mean ever closer ties to the EU along the lines of the Banking union, financial tax and yes eventually we'll all be paying a direct PAYE EU tax... 


    The reason the tory vote is split is thefault of the tories. They have become the wishy washy party I cannot vote for again. And I have always voted tory since I was 18, now 47.

    I am fed up with politicians telling us how good or bad something will be if we change it. The problem is governments and councils should do what the people want, that is what they are there for. If the majority want out of the EU then it should happen whether good or bad.


I agree Mike....
So basically, we are being told, if we leave, the world will shun us, no-one will trade with us, we will be 'sent to Coventry' we will fall apart. Cobblers....this country is bigger than that, we survived WW2 initially when Europe was part of Germany (and as it again becoming), nobody came to help at the start, but our resolve came through. And it would again Its a big wide world out there !!!!!!


Hi Tony, hope everything is good for you. Sorry to be off topic and not meant to be light hearted in the event of the deaths. But that helicopter crash in London made me think of you, I thought " it can't be" 

Any joy with it ?

[Rods2]

In today's DT is an article by Camoron worshiper Brendan 'Brown-nose' Brogan, who normally gets the nod from Camoron in return. He is suggesting that CaMoron is going to base the speech round patriotism, and to support Britain's EU membership is patriotic. He obviously knows as much about what patriotism as he does about the Magna Carta. 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100198547/no-shopping-list-but-those-who-have-seen-david-camerons-eu-speech-say-it-makes-a-patriots-case-for-britain-in-europe/

If that is the best he can manage as an argument he has already lost it. The truth is that there is only on escape for the EU clutches and that is by invoking Article 50 in the Lisbon treaty. Everything else is based upon ever closer union, once the EU gain new powers in an area it will never be conceded. This is like a ratchet on a noose around all EU country's necks. Van Rumpy Pumpy has made it clear there is no "a la carte" option, you are either a member of not. So in fact the question and referendum is very easy. "Do you want the UK to remain a member of the EU?" Yes / No. CaMoron will never ever give you this as it stop the whole gravy train he wants to be on, with all those EU summits and banquets. 

This is what the parties want in order of current voter popularity:

Liebour want more EU and immigration, no referendum, tax and spend and the Euro if they can get away with it. 

Cons want more EU and immigration, tax and spend, no referendum, but pretend they don't. 

UKIP want an in / out referendum, to stop most immigration and to get our economy back under control with small government. 

LimpDems want more EU, immigration, tax and spend, never any referendum and the Euro. 

So, it is very easy to pick who to vote for if you want a strong independent UK with a decent economy. Vote UKIP. 

[aaronjb]

I'd bet good money on UKIP - assuming they were voted in as a single governing party - not giving us a referendum either. Heck, I'll stick a fiver on it now, for the record.

[Rog]

" . . . . . . . The problem is governments and councils should do what the people want, that is what they are there for. "


Really, what a silly idea          

Those in charge actually following the will of the people, whatever next ?     

You'll be expecting politicians to carry out their election promises soon, how ridiculous         

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Well Cameron has been saved by the bell........or rather the hostage crisis in Algeria, where it seems a military operation has gone badly wrong for the hostages!!

Cameron will not go anywhere to make his speech tomorrow.

[albitz]

He does love an excuse to kick the can down the road.