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[OOMV6]

As said many times, Cameron will never have an in/out referendum.

The plain facts of the matter.....

People of the UK do not wish to be ruled by Europe.
People of the UK wish to trade with all countries, European and the rest of the world.

Simples.

I saw one minister (Irish Republic) at the weekend let it slip about  'When Europe becomes one country'. This was him talking about the chance of UK referendum in any form. Dead against it!!!!

Vote UKIP

Wow. Now that is some statement

[STMO123]

Well. We will have to wait. Speech cancelled due to lack of interest Algerian situation.

[Kevin Wood]

Well. We will have to wait. Speech cancelled due to lack of interest Algerian situation.

.. and he had the Met. office forecast snow in case that excuse didn't wash.

[Varche]

In today's DT is an article by Camoron worshiper Brendan 'Brown-nose' Brogan, who normally gets the nod from Camoron in return. He is suggesting that CaMoron is going to base the speech round patriotism, and to support Britain's EU membership is patriotic. He obviously knows as much about what patriotism as he does about the Magna Carta. 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100198547/no-shopping-list-but-those-who-have-seen-david-camerons-eu-speech-say-it-makes-a-patriots-case-for-britain-in-europe/

If that is the best he can manage as an argument he has already lost it. The truth is that there is only on escape for the EU clutches and that is by invoking Article 50 in the Lisbon treaty. Everything else is based upon ever closer union, once the EU gain new powers in an area it will never be conceded. This is like a ratchet on a noose around all EU country's necks. Van Rumpy Pumpy has made it clear there is no "a la carte" option, you are either a member of not. So in fact the question and referendum is very easy. "Do you want the UK to remain a member of the EU?" Yes / No. CaMoron will never ever give you this as it stop the whole gravy train he wants to be on, with all those EU summits and banquets. 

This is what the parties want in order of current voter popularity:

Liebour want more EU and immigration, no referendum, tax and spend and the Euro if they can get away with it. 

Cons want more EU and immigration, tax and spend, no referendum, but pretend they don't. 

UKIP want an in / out referendum, to stop most immigration and to get our economy back under control with small government. 

LimpDems want more EU, immigration, tax and spend, never any referendum and the Euro. 

So, it is very easy to pick who to vote for if you want a strong independent UK with a decent economy. Vote UKIP. 

So a Labour/ Lib Dem coalition after the next election faced with crippling debt due to Osbornes lack of action plus catastrophic downgrades in Britain's credit rating by Fitch lead to a bailout (funded by our EU banking partners and their thriving Euro). BINGO. You can have the money and welcome to the exclusive club -the Euro. Bad luck all those with private pensions as the bank of England went on a really wild QE spree.

Footnote. maybe our only hope is the Canadian hired at GREAT expense to replace Merv at the BoE

[05omegav6]

Well. We will have to wait. Speech cancelled due to lack of interest Algerian situation.

A French conspiracy if ever there was I shouldn't wonder...

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'd bet good money on UKIP - assuming they were voted in as a single governing party - not giving us a referendum either. Heck, I'll stick a fiver on it now, for the record.

No... if UKIP are to be believed then they would pull Britain out of the EU as soon as they were elected.  The fact that they were elected in the first place being their mandate! 

I suppose you have to give Cameron some credit for at least attempting to grasp the nettle in British politics.  Whether it's because he genuinely recognises the peoples frustration with the EU or he is worried about UKIP is a moot point....   

Compare this to the complacency of the likes of Clegg and Milliband who refuse to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject and when pressed all they can come out with is that we may as well hang up the 'Closed' sign if we leave the EU..... 

[Varche]

I watched questiontime last night.

It very much summed up for me the whole situation. What the public need is a load of hard facts . Benefits disadvantages of being in Europe. Federalism versus own government. Costs. Export markets, import markets. Quite how that would be carried out impartially is anyones guess. It certainly couldn't be done by TV.

If it is down to each party publishing their propaganda then the Pro integrated Europe case will win hands down by virtue of there being more money in their pots .

I still think Britain and most British people have a hood on and just cannot or do not want to see -particularly the fundamental aim of Brussels to set budgets for member states.
 

[Varche]

Speech now scheduled for Wednesday 23rd Morning.

 Most of it has been leaked now I suspect. I bet Cameron is annoyed that his moment has been reduced by the mandatory press leakage routine they all use nowadays for greater impact.

[Nickbat]

Speech now scheduled for Wednesday 23rd Morning.

 Most of it has been leaked now I suspect. I bet Cameron is annoyed that his moment has been reduced by the mandatory press leakage routine they all use nowadays for greater impact.

I caught a bit of the Daily Politics on TV at lunchtime. UKIP MEP Gerard Batten said the Tories claim to be able to renegotiate our terms of EU membership is a con-trick, because the only way the terms can be changed is by Treaty, unanimously approved by all 27 (28 with Croatia) member states..and it isn't going to happen. We cannot legally change the terms of our membership any other way unless we leave and reapply (no chance). So yes, all this renegotiation is pulling the wool over the eyes of the UK public (all too easily done, IMHO). The Tory MP on the programme (whose name I have forgotten) said Batten was talking rubbish...but offered no justification for that comment, probably because he knows it to be true.

[cleggy]

Well he delivered a speech, all I heard was IF,IF,IF and more IF 

Referendum in 5 years time IF

VOTE UKIP

[Auto Addict]

Well he delivered a speech, all I heard was IF,IF,IF and more IF 

Referendum in 5 years time IF

VOTE UKIP

Vote UKIP, Labour get back in, no referendum, country back in the mess it was before the last election.

[Elite Pete]

Well he delivered a speech, all I heard was IF,IF,IF and more IF 

Referendum in 5 years time IF

VOTE UKIP

Vote UKIP, Labour get back in, no referendum, country back in the mess it was before the last election.

I don't know much about politics, so is the mess before the elections worse than the one we're in now  

[cleggy]

Well UKIP will certainly get my vote in 2014, then we''ll see about the general election. I've said all along that the Tory vote will be split allowing Labour in, but a Tory/UKIP coalition would be interesting despite that Farage said never.

[Auto Addict]

Well he delivered a speech, all I heard was IF,IF,IF and more IF 

Referendum in 5 years time IF

VOTE UKIP

Vote UKIP, Labour get back in, no referendum, country back in the mess it was before the last election.

I don't know much about politics, so is the mess before the elections worse than the one we're in now

Yes Pete, but who caused it?

[albitz]

Well he delivered a speech, all I heard was IF,IF,IF and more IF 

Referendum in 5 years time IF

VOTE UKIP

Vote UKIP, Labour get back in, no referendum, country back in the mess it was before the last election.

Which was the whole point of his speech.To try to head UKIP off at the pass.He has been advised that he had to make that  speech because the traditional Tory vote has all but disappeared,hence UKIP overtaking the Limpdems in the opinion polls.
Assuming Cameron is in No10 after the next election(a very big assumption),my prediction is as follows.He will have some high profile meetings with some high profile EU politicians.He will leave the meetings with some superficial concessions and declare that he has got what he wanted.The EU politicians will agree with this statement.Then,he will put his full weight behind a yes vote as will Labour.The Libdems will pledge mass suicide of their membership if the electorate return a no vote.
It will be a very highly funded campaign,probably with with EU money through the back door.
He argued that the EU needs to return to something very close to the common market which this country voted to join all those years ago.That is never ever going to happen.When it doesnt,he should then campaign for a no vote but he wont.Expect enormous amounts of fudge to be spewing forth from Westminster in the next few years.
This speech may well take the wind out of UKIPs sails,but it is they and only they who have forced him to make this promise,and that alone justifies everything they have said and done up to now.
Its still possible though that he will find some way to wriggle out of his promise as he did last time.
Personally,I think the referendum on the EU should be limited to members of the Omega Owners Forum.