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Well UKIP will certainly get my vote in 2014, then we''ll see about the general election. I've said all along that the Tory vote will be split allowing Labour in, but a Tory/UKIP coalition would be interesting despite that Farage said never.

UKIP will take votes off the Conservative floating voter, not off Lib Dems or Labour, so there will never be a UKIP/Conservative coalition.

[cleggy]

Well he delivered a speech, all I heard was IF,IF,IF and more IF 

Referendum in 5 years time IF

VOTE UKIP

Vote UKIP, Labour get back in, no referendum, country back in the mess it was before the last election.

Which was the whole point of his speech.To try to head UKIP off at the pass.
Assuming Cameron is in No10 after the next election(a very big assumption),my prediction is as follows.He will have some high profile meetings with some high profile EU politicians.He will leave the meetings with some superficial concessions and declare that he has got what he wanted.The EU politicians will agree with this statement.Then,he will put his full weight behind a yes vote as will Labour.The Libdems will pledge mass suicide of their membership if the electorate return a no vote.
It will be a very highly funded campaign,probably with with EU money through the back door.
He argued that the EU needs to return to something very close to the common market which this country voted to join all those years ago.That is never ever going to happen.When it doesnt,he should then campaign for a no vote but he wont.Expect enormous amounts of fudge to be spewing forth from Westminster in the next few years.
This speech may well take the wind out of UKIPs sails,but it is they and only they who have forced him to make this promise,and that alone justifies everything they have said and done up to now.
Its still possible though that he will find some way to wriggle out of his promise as he did last time.
Personally,I think the referendum on the EU should be limited to members of the Omega Owners Forum.

Out by Friday then 

[cleggy]

Well UKIP will certainly get my vote in 2014, then we''ll see about the general election. I've said all along that the Tory vote will be split allowing Labour in, but a Tory/UKIP coalition would be interesting despite that Farage said never.

UKIP will take votes off the Conservative floating voter, not off Lib Dems or Labour, so there will never be a UKIP/Conservative coalition.

I wouldn't be so sure, many voters of all parties want out of the EU

[albitz]

Well UKIP will certainly get my vote in 2014, then we''ll see about the general election. I've said all along that the Tory vote will be split allowing Labour in, but a Tory/UKIP coalition would be interesting despite that Farage said never.

UKIP will take votes off the Conservative floating voter, not off Lib Dems or Labour, so there will never be a UKIP/Conservative coalition.

UKIP are taking votes from the old working class Labour voters who have seen their jobs being taken by cheap migrant labour.Its doubtful though that it is doing as much harm to Labour as it is to the Tories.Many Tory voters have realised that their party has been hijacked by social democratic spivs in exactly the same way as the old Labour party was hijacked by the same type of people.
UKIP offers them a tailor made alternative,as long as they are able to jump the hurdle of a lifetime of brand loyalty.

[Elite Pete]

Well he delivered a speech, all I heard was IF,IF,IF and more IF 

Referendum in 5 years time IF

VOTE UKIP

Vote UKIP, Labour get back in, no referendum, country back in the mess it was before the last election.

I don't know much about politics, so is the mess before the elections worse than the one we're in now

Yes Pete, but who caused it?

Politicians as far as I can tell. They all speak with forked tongues

[Entwood]

As you all like knocking the present government so much (and I'm suprised they've not been blamed for the weather yet) .....

perhaps you'll find fault with this as well ??     

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21158815

The UK unemployment total has fallen to its lowest level for 18 months while the number of people in work has reached another record high.........  The ONS said the number of people in work had increased to 29.7 million

[cleggy]

As you all like knocking the present government so much (and I'm suprised they've not been blamed for the weather yet) .....

perhaps you'll find fault with this as well ??     

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21158815

The UK unemployment total has fallen to its lowest level for 18 months while the number of people in work has reached another record high.........  The ONS said the number of people in work had increased to 29.7 million

But how, what jobs, all we hear about is the number of businesses closing or lack of production output and redundancies. Even the city are set to lose thousands of posts. I'm all for good news but I just don't believe statistics not backed by evidence.

The likelihood is that by the summer of unemployment will be rising rising tho' not dramatically......... from the same article

[albitz]

Nigel Farages initial response to Camerons speech.
http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/2924-the-genie-is-now-out-of-the-bottle-finally

[Varche]

As you all like knocking the present government so much (and I'm suprised they've not been blamed for the weather yet) .....

perhaps you'll find fault with this as well ??     

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21158815

The UK unemployment total has fallen to its lowest level for 18 months while the number of people in work has reached another record high.........  The ONS said the number of people in work had increased to 29.7 million

That is easy to fault.! A combination of the governments policies on long term unemployed working (they may not have jobs but are off the books- I have personal knowledge of one such person who is now supported by their parents).. Plenty of low paid jobs around. Plenty of folk taking part time jobs as no full time jobs. All in all a reduction, so accurate. I strongly suspect they are not quality jobs that will boost income tax. The government will blame the weather when Britain goes back into recession later this year, due to poor spending and thus low tax receipts.

Albitz. Thanks for the link to UKIP's response. 

Cameron is just throwing the dice. It is all a clever empty promise. Vote us back in and we will try and negotiate a better deal. They will not get voted back in. If they did they will be unable to negotiate diddly squat (Nada) from the EU. I bet the mandarins in Brussels or Strasburg are having a god laugh about that aspect.

Looking at the opinion polls there is a lot of work to be done in educating the electorate and persuading those "don't knows-20%" and "can't be bothered-5%". How scary would a result of 39% for, 38.9% against, 12.1% coudn't be bothered to vote on the most important issue for a generation.

Has Labour said where it stands?

[omega3000]

Floodgates open to 29million more immigrants with access to the benefit system , i wonder why so many come here     

[05omegav6]

Ed Millibland suggested during PMs questions that Labours position had not changed. When asked what that position was, he could recall only that it hadn't changed

The only sensible 'question' came from Minghes Campbell, who asked if Michael Hesletine would be conducting a formal enquiry into the actual pros and cons of withdrawal from the EU.

Unfortunatly Callmedave dismissed it with a chuckle   Wasted opportunity to demonstrate a structured, considered and educated approach to a sensible debate prior to an in/out referendum IMHO

[albitz]

Millipede stated "no,we do not want an in/out referendum". Minger Cambell was being mischievous.Heseltine is one of the Tories who has always adored everything to do with the EU.He sternly warned the country that we needed to join the euro or face being isolated,ridiculed,having British business being very badly damaged and rendered uncpompetitive etc. etc.
He is now saying all the same things about the current situation.
He was a treachorous egomaniac who finished Thatchers career,because she wouldnt allow Brussells to take yet more sovereignty and power from the U.K. 

[05omegav6]

Mischievous or not, I thought it was a sensible question

[albitz]

Not really.Heseltine would have a list of pros ready before his enquiry began,and there wouldnt be a list of cons.He has always refused to see any significant cons.Tbh,he may by now realise how wrong he has been,but he couldnt publicly admit it,as it would be the pin which bursts his enormous ego.

[05omegav6]

  I meant the suggestion of an enquiry itself

Obviously, to be of any validity, it would need to be free of political horsepoo, and thus is unlikely to ever happen