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[cem_devecioglu]

Cem, I can afford 18's because I don't need winter tyres.

"We" generally, in the uk, don't need them. See the poll.

I dont care what the poll says.. there are millions of drivers on earth who use them.. and uk is not an exception..

[feeutfo]

Cem, I can afford 18's because I don't need winter tyres.

"We" generally, in the uk, don't need them. See the poll.

I dont care what the poll says.. there are millions of drivers on earth who use them.. and uk is not an exception..

It is, cem. We know it, as we live here.

[cem_devecioglu]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

No because he only bought one pair and I am sure you agree differential grip is not good for any car. Now if he had spun off whilst on 4 winter tyres and driving safely, then I understand. Too many variables. He could have been speeding. Just because he says he wasnt, doesnt mean he actually wasn't.

a used old pair.. now I remember..

[cem_devecioglu]

Cem, I can afford 18's because I don't need winter tyres.

"We" generally, in the uk, don't need them. See the poll.

I dont care what the poll says.. there are millions of drivers on earth who use them.. and uk is not an exception..

It is, cem. We know it, as we live here.

as I shared above.. you have many days with frost.. so you need them

[feeutfo]

What about Spain then? Compulsory winter tyres there?

Throughout Europe? Don't be daft.

[feeutfo]

Cem, I can afford 18's because I don't need winter tyres.

"We" generally, in the uk, don't need them. See the poll.

I dont care what the poll says.. there are millions of drivers on earth who use them.. and uk is not an exception..

It is, cem. We know it, as we live here.

as I shared above.. you have many days with frost.. so you need them

no, we need crap tyres banned first.

[cem_devecioglu]

What about Spain then? Compulsory winter tyres there?

Throughout Europe? Don't be daft.

even in antalya it snows where summers exceed 46+ celicus..  it simply doesnt mater how is summer.. if temperature drops and its wet you se them.. only on equator line they dont have use..

[cem_devecioglu]

ok .. this much debate is enough.. lets save our energy for next year

[D]

Cem, I can afford 18's because I don't need winter tyres.

"We" generally, in the uk, don't need them. See the poll.

The poll was regarding enforceability. I was deviating slightly and discussing actual need and real world benefits. Apologies to OP re: deviation from topic.

Also as Kevin Wood said, the vast majority cannot be arsed to change a light bulb, let alone be bothered about car safety. Are you going to use this group as your benchmark? Remember last years riots? Every one was rioting. I wasn't. I would have lost in a poll. However I still get to hold my head high as I did not follow the flock. I feel good "I lost" in that and this instance.

Make a choice, but don't make it blindly. As TB said, you cannot learn about something unless you actually try and experience it. You are the most vocal on this post (after me I agree), but have no experience of the product in a UK setting! I do a lot of clinical research as part of my job. It is the mentality you exhibit that is hardest to get over whilst trying to promote good ethical research.

And I wholeheartedly agree about getting rid of crap tyres. No arguments there. That doesnt take away from other aspects of safety.

[VXL V6]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

No because he only bought one pair and I am sure you agree differential grip is not good for any car. Now if he had spun off whilst on 4 winter tyres and driving safely, then I understand. Too many variables. He could have been speeding. Just because he says he wasnt, doesnt mean he actually wasn't.

He had them on the drive axle though (rear) and I would take his word that he wasn't speeding, purely based on the fact that there was virtually no damage The back was what went, not the front (with good quality summer tyres )

Nope, M+S tyres all round 

Matching L'Zens on the front and Matching Goodyear on the back.

I'm not that stupid that I would mix M+S and Summer tyres!

[D]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

No because he only bought one pair and I am sure you agree differential grip is not good for any car. Now if he had spun off whilst on 4 winter tyres and driving safely, then I understand. Too many variables. He could have been speeding. Just because he says he wasnt, doesnt mean he actually wasn't.

He had them on the drive axle though (rear) and I would take his word that he wasn't speeding, purely based on the fact that there was virtually no damage The back was what went, not the front (with good quality summer tyres )

I know, but there were other variables as well. Werent they used tyres or something like that? I don't remember the whole story though.

[D]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

No because he only bought one pair and I am sure you agree differential grip is not good for any car. Now if he had spun off whilst on 4 winter tyres and driving safely, then I understand. Too many variables. He could have been speeding. Just because he says he wasnt, doesnt mean he actually wasn't.

He had them on the drive axle though (rear) and I would take his word that he wasn't speeding, purely based on the fact that there was virtually no damage The back was what went, not the front (with good quality summer tyres )

Nope, M+S tyres all round 

Matching L'Zens on the front and Matching Goodyear on the back.

I'm not that stupid that I would mix M+S and Summer tyres!

Yes that was it. Different brands on the 2 axles. And not new tyres either if I am correct? I had a previous car that behaved horrendously with different brands on 2 axles, so I have been there before.

[feeutfo]

What about Spain then? Compulsory winter tyres there?

Throughout Europe? Don't be daft.

even in antalya it snows where summers exceed 46+ celicus..  it simply doesnt mater how is summer.. if temperature drops and its wet you se them.. only on equator line they dont have use..

yes because that's YOUR climate. Why on earth would you assume the rest if the world is the same? Frost in the am, dos not mean you need winter tyres. It's can be 10c by lunch time here.

You have your tires to suit your needs. DON'T try to enforce it elsewhere, where you have no experience of that climate. We tried that in the crusades, and rightly learned a lesson. I suggest you try it cem. I wouldn't dare suggest banning winter tyres in a country I know nothing about.

In fact yes, I'll do a cem. Ready....

<cem mode on>
ALL WINTER TYRES SHOULD BE BANNED IN TURKEY.  I know nothing about the country I've never been there other than on the Internet, yet I know best and everyone who lives there s wrong.
<cem mode off>

See? Don't be so bloody ridiculous.

[TheBoy]

You have your tirestyres to suit your needs. DON'T try to enforce it elsewhere, where you have no experience of...

ahem....

[VXL V6]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

No because he only bought one pair and I am sure you agree differential grip is not good for any car. Now if he had spun off whilst on 4 winter tyres and driving safely, then I understand. Too many variables. He could have been speeding. Just because he says he wasnt, doesnt mean he actually wasn't.

He had them on the drive axle though (rear) and I would take his word that he wasn't speeding, purely based on the fact that there was virtually no damage The back was what went, not the front (with good quality summer tyres )

Nope, M+S tyres all round 

Matching L'Zens on the front and Matching Goodyear on the back.

I'm not that stupid that I would mix M+S and Summer tyres!

Yes that was it. Different brands on the 2 axles. And not new tyres either if I am correct? I had a previous car that behaved horrendously with different brands on 2 axles, so I have been there before.

I think the lesson learned is to only buy new tyres. The L'zens actually had less tread on them than the Goodyears but apart from slightly soft handling seemed to grip quite well. The Goodyears must have had some sort of contamination though because it was possible to spin them in the DTi before you'd hit the turbo in 1st gear so that must tell you something 

I would like to try a full set of new, matching winter tyres but i'm afraid funds just do not allow for that at the moment...