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Re: Strange financial world
« Reply #15 on: 12 February 2013, 22:28:34 »

Unfortunately Rod, the "politics of envy" will always prevent the logic of your argument being accepted.

Even under communism the "working man" was forced to accept that some were "more equal then others" ....

There is a class thing in this country that having money (or making money) can only be done by oppressing someone else, which is why the likes of Branson and Dyson are very few and far between... folks who actually turn ideas into money and make jobs.
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« Reply #16 on: 12 February 2013, 22:30:27 »

Unfortunately Rod, the "politics of envy" will always prevent the logic of your argument being accepted.

Even under communism the "working man" was forced to accept that some were "more equal then others" ....

There is a class thing in this country that having money (or making money) can only be done by oppressing someone else, which is why the likes of Branson and Dyson are very few and far between... folks who actually turn ideas into money and make jobs.

Entwood , I would also happily accept your comments on videos.. they have enough subject to comment on :)
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« Reply #17 on: 12 February 2013, 22:40:15 »

So how did the inventors and engineers raise the money to fund their patents, inventions and factories. It was through Investment Banks and public offering of shares.  :y :y :y
 
this idea is valid only for a capitalist system of thinking which rejects any other option

Money is like oil to an engine, without it, it seizes up.  :o :o :o This is a major problem at the moment where banks aren't lending, due to losses, increasing capital requirements and worries over getting their money back.
 
if you watch the video you will know that the losses belong to masses and  there is a winner side .. who they are ?

The alternative, which is called Communism, Marxism or Maoism is where you become a slave of the state, who dictate: Where you will work, how you will work, what you will do, how much they will pay you (if your lucky), what you will think and say and if you don't like their terms the alternative is a forced labour camp and correction centre where the only escape is normally death.
 
these answers belong to cold war era  :)

Personally, of the two, I much prefer banks and capitalism
 
Did I say please watch..
 
 
and so does most of the planet as Communism, Marxism and Maoism are dying systems.Why are they dying because democracy and capitalism give much greater individual freedom and it allocates capital and resources much more efficiently than a central command based system.

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Re: Strange financial world
« Reply #18 on: 12 February 2013, 22:47:33 »

Cem .. with respect .. and I apologise if this seems personal, it is not intended to be rude.

Just because it's on utube  (or anywhere else on the internet) does not make it true.

There are many, many more resources of information, as well as the human ability to think, analyse, and make your own decision.

I don't need a film producer to tell me what he wants me to know, likewise I don't believe everything in the newspapers, or on the TV, or on the internet.

Your continuous posting of links, and claiming they "prove" your point, regardless of the subject matter, is slowly, but surely, destroying your credibility.

I know english is not your first language, ayet you speak it better than many on here, so use your brain and voice to put your point across, not links to the weird and wonderful
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Re: Strange financial world
« Reply #19 on: 12 February 2013, 22:57:48 »

Cem .. with respect .. and I apologise if this seems personal, it is not intended to be rude.

Just because it's on utube  (or anywhere else on the internet) does not make it true.

There are many, many more resources of information, as well as the human ability to think, analyse, and make your own decision.

I don't need a film producer to tell me what he wants me to know, likewise I don't believe everything in the newspapers, or on the TV, or on the internet.

Your continuous posting of links, and claiming they "prove" your point, regardless of the subject matter, is slowly, but surely, destroying your credibility.

I know english is not your first language, ayet you speak it better than many on here, so use your brain and voice to put your point across, not links to the weird and wonderful

ok.. please explain me what is fractional reserve banking ?
 
if you dont know the answer, I need to write in a language which is not my native.. but if you know it now we can talk.. :)
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Re: Strange financial world
« Reply #20 on: 12 February 2013, 23:09:24 »

and why a nation has to borrow its own money ?  :( 
 
all the answers are in videos.. its a late hour so we can continue tomorrow and you will have time to watch them..
 
ps: the film makers only tell the history and explained the events..  if you are interested how money is made.. :y
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Re: Strange financial world
« Reply #21 on: 12 February 2013, 23:51:48 »

Nothing wrong with banking as a concept.

Where it goes wrong is when banking exists not to serve its customers or its shareholders but a team of gamblers who make pots of money at the expense of its mugs (I think that was the term one bank used). Lets face it the banks haven't exactly covered themselves in glory. (PPP, Libor, toxic lending,rogue traders etc etc)

Also where it goes wrong is when the banks fail to exercise due restraint. A bit like a parent letting a child become obese through constant access to the calerie loaded food.

I think what the new boss is doing is sending out a message that things have changed. Maybe they have, maybe they haven't - time will tell. It is what he has to do. A good question to ask is "who is pulling his strings?"
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Re: Strange financial world
« Reply #22 on: 13 February 2013, 00:11:15 »

I haven't got time to watch 3.5 hour film at the moment and even if I had I probably wouldn't as TV and videos bore me stupid, which is one of the major reasons I haven't had a TV for over a year and I only very occasionally miss it, mainly for live sport. TV and Video are very poor mediums for learning and remembering anything from anyway, it is much better and I much prefer reading and writing.

I know how fiat currencies work and history shows that the alternatives are generally worse. I don't support the use of gold as you would either have to price gold at over $22,000 with the current money in circulation or have a massive deflationary spiral by shrinking the money supply by a factor of ten to the current gold price. That didn't work in the US in the 1930's and it is not working in Europe where their has been a contraction of money supply during the Eurocrisis. The inflexibility of gold means during the use of the gold standard in the early 20th century, there was more economic instability. Narrow money M1, M2 are normally a very good indication of how the economy will be faring in six months time, broad money M3 and M4 are less so but normally a better indication of future inflation.

With your views on command based economies and mine on capitalism, we are never going to agree, but you have every right to have your views and I respect that.

There have been many views on the current global economic crisis being a crisis of banking and capitalism, but in reality they are bit part players, the real crisis that has yet to be played out is that what we have is in reality a real political and society crisis.

We all want to be told everything is lovely in the garden, but unaffordable 20th century welfareism, effective contraception so worldwide white populations are rapidly falling to what maybe in 100 years or so is virtual extinction, increasing leisure time with increasing lazyiness from being wealthy countries, bigger and bigger expectations of instant gratification and politicians who say vote for us and you can have / continue to have all of this and we will raise the taxes on the rich to pay and borrow money to pay for it all, so people vote the socialists into power.

Now it will all be perfect won't it? Except Government when they tax the rich, they find they up and leave. Putting taxes up from 40% to 50% in the UK reduced the number of people paying tax on over £150,000 per year from 16,000 to 6000, so it brings in LESS money than before, so they borrow, unfortunately they are now rapidly reaching borrowing ceilings. They also vastly increase taxes and red tape on industry, so they leave if it is a highly competitive manufacturing or non-fixed service industry, so employment goes down in terms of total hours of labour consumed by the country and real wages fall to cover some of the extra costs.

We are currently at the currency war stage in this current depression, where everybody wants their currency cheaper than everybody else, to try and save their industrial sector, but of course this is a zero sum game. We got our first bout of currency deflation in early with a 25% drop in 2008, but it did not increase exports, just inflation and a drop in real wages. Next to save the politicians skins will come hyperinflation by the massive generation of money to keep them in power, this will be followed by the mass confiscation of wealth by Governments to save their necks and to keep the machinery of Government running, this will apply to all citizens with any savings or wealth including all assets. Finally it will then be destitution maybe revolution, but more likely to stop that war.

If Government did not make expensive promises to bribe voters with what they say is other people's money that in reality through tax increases it will be largely yours and borrow money so the country lives beyond it means to bribe voters, the West would not be where it is now. In the past they have got away with it through getting resources on the cheap and selling must have technology at premium prices. Then the oil rich countries woke up to this in the 1970s and these days there are plenty of foreign customers in BRIC countries, so they dictate prices for their resources. Asian countries can produce lots of hi-tech goodies at low prices, so why do they need many Western goods at premium prices?

The West needs to relearn to work hard, add value and live within its means or it slides into obscurity. The US will probably survive through shale gas and oil and their 'can do' attitude. The decline of Western Europe is probably irreversible and they will be the new third world. The young bright and skilled and savvy are increasingly leaving the UK in what I can only describe as a smart move.
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Re: Strange financial world
« Reply #23 on: 13 February 2013, 20:04:34 »

Today the condition,political structure  of countries , their borders ,financial
structure is highly dependant on the past/previous events. So we are tied up
by history..
 
How fed is organized/established, how Bank of England is established , how european
economy is designed, how wars end up in the past designed todays conditions..
 
There are many unknows to public , with most of the secrets of history hidden in the
details of news, events , some old books vice versa.. And expecting public to search
and learn those things is really a tall order imo.. Unfortunately without knowing these
details its is really hard to understand todays conditions.. Lots of countries,
polticians, banks, corporates , financial structures and numbers,charts is enough
to baffle even the experts.. And if you try to conclude some results from those
parameters you may get only who is bankrupt and who is in good position (if you are
permitted and if you can!) ..
 
But in order to understand the realities lying under todays conditions we have to look
at things where things were simple and easy to understand ..
The past events and how they prepared the destiny of future.
 
FRom the old times, its a proven fact that the money changers always control
the power.. first economically then politically..
 
At that point I think its necessary to define who is a money changer..
 
"A money changer is a person who exchanges the coins or currency of one country for
that of another. This trade is thought generally to be the origin of modern banking
in Europe.
 
During medieval times in Europe, many cities and towns issued their own coins, often
carrying the face of a ruler, such as the regional baron or bishop. When outsiders,
especially travelling merchants, visited towns for a market fair, it became necessary
to exchange his foreign coins to local ones at local money changers. Money changers
would assess a foreign coin for its type, wear and tear, and possible counterfeit,
then accept it as deposit, recording its value in local currency. The merchant could
then withdraw the money in local currency to conduct trade or, more likely, keep it
deposited and use its clearing facility to conduct trade."

From the Roman times up to today, characters, faces, events seem to be changing but the
fight for economic control and power was always there.. Early roman emperors try to limit
the power of money changers and all emperors were assasinated.. now here is a
selected brief from history.. (if you want to learn more please watch the videos)
 
48 BC Julius Caesar took back from the money changers the power to coin money and then
minted coins for the benefit of all. With this new, plentiful supply of money,
he established many massive construction projects and built great public works.
By making money plentiful, Caesar won the love of the common people.But the money
changers hated him for it and this is why Caesar was assassinated. Immediately after
his assassination came the demise of plentiful money in Rome, taxes increased, as did
corruption.
 
Eventually the ROMAN MONEY SUPPLY WAS REDUCED BY 90 %  which resulted in the common people
losing their lands and homes.
 
 
 
SO as we see from history , up to now the game never changed..Same as today..
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« Reply #24 on: 13 February 2013, 20:07:57 »

1024 The money changers had control of Medieval England's money supply and at this time
were generally known as goldsmiths. Paper money started out and this was simply a receipt you
would get after depositing gold with a goldsmith, in their safe rooms or vaults. This paper
started being traded as it was far more convenient than carrying round a lot of heavy gold
and silver coins.Over time, to simplify the process, the receipts were made to the bearer,
rather than to the individual depositor, making it readily transferable without the need
for a signature. This, also, broke the tie to any identifiable deposit of gold. Eventually
the goldsmiths recognized that only a fraction of depositors ever came in and demanded their
gold at any one time, so they found out how they could cheat on the system. They started to
issue more receipts than they had gold to back those receipts and no one would be any the
wiser. They would loan out these receipts which were not backed by the gold they had in
their depositories and collect interest on them.
 
This was the birth of the system we know today as Fractional Reserve Banking, and like this
system of today this meant the goldsmiths were able to make astronomical amounts of money
by loaning out, what was essentially fraudulent receipts, as they were for gold the
goldsmiths didn't even possess. As they gradually got more confident they would loan out
up to 10 times the amount they had in their deposits.

 
To simplify how they made money on this, let's give an example in which a goldsmith charges
the same rate of interest to creditors and debtors. In this example a goldsmith would pay
interest of 6% on gold you had deposited with them, and then charge 6% interest on money,
I mean fraudulent receipts, you borrowed from them. As they would lend out ten times what
you had deposited with them, whilst they're paying you 6% interest, they are making 60%
interest. This is on your gold.
 
The goldsmiths also discovered that their control of this fraudulent money supply gave
them control over the economy and the assets of the people. They exacted their control
by rowing the economy between easy money and tight money.

 
 

The way they did this was to make money easy to borrow and therefore increase the amount of money in circulation, then suddenly tighten the money supply, taking it out of circulation by making loans more difficult to get or stopping offering them altogether.

 
Why did they do this? Simple, because the result would be a certain percentage of the people
being unable to repay their previous loans, and not having the facility to take out new ones,
so they would go bankrupt and be forced to sell their assets to the goldsmiths for literally
pennies on the dollar.
 

This is exactly what happens in the world economy of today, but is referred to with words like,"the business cycle," "boom and bust," "recession," and "depression," in order to confuse the population of the money changers scam

 
1100  King Henry I succeeds King William II to the throne of England. During his reign he
decided to take the power the money changers had over the people, and he did this by
creating a completely new form of money that took the form of a stick! This stick was called,
a "talley stick," and ended up being the longest lasting form of currency, lasting 726 years
until 1826 (even though other currencies came and went in that same period and ran alongside
the talley sticks). The talley stick was a stick of polished wood into which notches were
cut along one side, to indicate the denomination of money the stick represented.
The stick was then split lengthwise through the notches, so that both pieces had a record
of the notches. The King kept one half to protect against counterfeiting and the other half
was spent into the economy and circulated as money.
 
It was also one of the most successful money systems in history, as the King demanded that
all the King's taxes had to be paid in, "talley sticks," so this increased their circulation
and acceptance as a legitimate form of money. This system would work well in keeping the
power away from the money changers in England.

1558 Queen Elizabeth I succeeds Queen Mary I, her half sister, to the throne in England.
During her reign, Queen Elizabeth I decided that in order to wrest control of the money
supply she would have to issue her own gold and silver coins. She did this through the
public treasury and successfully took control of the money supply from the money changers
 
 
1609 The money changers in the Netherlands establish the the first central bank in history,
in Amsterdam
 
1642  Oliver Cromwell is financed by the money changers for the purposes of fomenting
a revolution in England, and allowing them to take control of the money system again.
After much bloodshed, Cromwell finally purges the parliament, overthrows King Charles I
and puts him to death in 1649. The money changers immediately consolidate their power
and for the next few decades plunge Great Britain into a costly series of wars.
They also take over a square mile of property in the center of London which becomes
known as the City of London
 
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« Reply #25 on: 13 February 2013, 20:08:47 »

1694 Following a costly series of wars over the last 50 years, English Government
officials go, cap in hand, to the money changers for loans necessary to pursue their
political purposes. The money changers agree to solve this problem in exchange for a
government sanctioned privately owned bank which could issue money created out of
nothing. This was deceptively named the, "Bank of England," for the sole purpose of
duping the general public into believing it was part of the government, which it
was not.
Like any other private corporation the Bank of England sold shares to get started.
The private investors, whose names were never revealed, were supposed to put up
£1,250,000 in gold coins to buy their shares in the bank, but only £750,000 was
ever received. Despite that the bank was duly chartered and began loaning out
several times the money it supposedly had in reserves, all at interest.
Although the Bank of England's private investors were never revealed, one of
the Directors, William Paterson, stated,"The Bank hath benefit of interest on all
monies which it creates out of nothing."
Furthermore the Bank of England would loan government officials as much of
the new currency as they wanted, as long as they secured the debt by direct
taxation of the British people. The Bank of England amounted to nothing less
than the legal counterfeiting of a national currency for private gain, and thus
any country that would fall under the control of a private bank would amount
to nothing more than a plutocracy.
Soon after the Bank of England was formed it attacked the talley stick system,
as it was money outside of the power of the money changers, just as
King Henry I had intended it to be.
 
1698 Following four years of the Bank of England, their plan to control
the money supply had come on in leaps and bounds. They had flooded the
country with so much money that the Government debt to the Bank had grown
from the initial £1,250,000, to £16,000,000, in only four years.
That's an increase of 1,280%.Why do they do it? Simple, if the money in circulation
 in a country is £5,000,000, and a central bank is set up and prints another
£15,000,000, stage one of the plan, sends it out into the economy through
loans etc, than this will reduce the value of the initial £5,000,000 in
circulation before the bank was formed. This is because the initial
£5,000,000 is now only 25% of the economy. It will also give the bank
control of 75% of the money in circulation with the £15,000,000 they sent
out into the economy.
This also causes inflation which is the reduction in worth of money borne
by the common person, due to the economy being flooded with too much money,
an economy which the Central Bank are responsible for. As the common
person's money is worth less, he has to go to the bank to get a loan to
help run his business etc, and when the Central Bank are satisfied there
are enough people with debt out there, the bank will tighten the supply of
money by not offering loans. This is stage two of the plan.
Stage three, is sitting back and waiting for the debtors to them to go
bankrupt, allowing the bank to then seize from them real wealth, businesses
and property etc, for pennies on the dollar. Inflation never effects a
central bank in fact they are the only group who can benefit from it, as
if they are ever short of money they can simply print more.
 
1800  In France, the Bank of France was set up. However, Napoleon decided
France had to break free of the debt and he therefore never trusted this bank.
He declared that when a government is dependent on bankers for money, it is
 the bankers and not the government leaders that are in control. He stated,
"The hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland,
financiers are without patriotism and without decency, their sole object is gain."
 
1803 Now President Thomas Jefferson, President Jefferson struck a deal with
Napoleon in France. The United States would give Napoleon $3,000,000 of gold
in exchange for a huge chunk of territory west of the Mississippi River.
This was called the Louisiana purchase. Napoleon used this gold to put
together an army. He then used this army to set off across Europe where
he began to conquer everything in his path. The Bank of England quickly
rose to oppose Napoleon and financed every nation in his path, as usual
profiteering from war. Prussia, Austria, and then finally Russia all went
heavily into debt in a futile attempt to stop Napoleon
 
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« Reply #26 on: 13 February 2013, 20:09:53 »

1811 A bill was put before Congress to renew the charter of the First
Bank of the United States. The legislatures of both Pennsylvania and
Virginia pass resolutions asking Congress to kill the bank. The national
press openly attack the bank calling it: a great swindle; a vulture;
a viper; and a cobra. Nathan Rothschild gets in on the act and makes
the following revealing statement as to who was really behind the First
Bank of the United States,
"Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the
United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war."
 
When the smoke had cleared the renewal bill was cleared by a single vote
in the house and was deadlocked in the Senate. At this point America's
fourth President, President James Madison was in the White House. He
was a staunch opponent of the bank and he sent his Vice-President,
George Clinton, to break a tie in the Senate which killed the bank.
 
1812 As promised by Nathan Rothschild, because the charter for the First
Bank of the United States is not renewed, thousands have to die and the
British attack America. However, as the British are still busy fighting
Napoleon, they are unable to mount much of an assault and the war ends
in 1814 with America undefeated. 
1814 Wellington's attacks from the South and other defeats eventually
forced Napoleon to abdicate and Louis XVIII is crowned King. Napoleon
is exiled to the tiny island of Elba, off the coast of Italy.
 
1815 Napoleon escapes his exile and returns to Paris. French troops were
sent to capture him, but he uses his charisma to convince these soldiers
to rally round him, and they subsequently hail him as their emperor once
again. In March, Napoleon assembles an army which England's Duke of
Wellington defeated less than 90 days later at Waterloo.Even though the
outcome is predetermined, these bankers don't like to take any sort of risk,
they're too used to a monopoly. Therefore Nathan Rothschild sent a trusted
courier named Rothworth to Waterloo where he stayed on the edge of the
battlefield. Once the battle was decided, Rothworth took off for the Channel,
and delivered the news of Wellington's victory to Nathan Rothschild a full
24 hours before Wellington's own courier.
Nathan Rothschild hurried to the London Stock market and stood in his usual
position. All eyes were on him as Rothschild had a legendary communications
network. Rothschild stood there looking forlorn and suddenly started selling.
The other traders believed that this meant he had heard that Napoleon had won
so they all started selling frantically.
The market subsequently plummeted, soon everyone was selling their consuls
(British Government Bonds), but then Rothschild secretly started buying them
all up through his agents on the floor, for a fraction of what they were
worth only hours before. A lot of these consuls were able to be converted to
Bank of England stock, which is how Rothschild took over the control of the
Bank of England and therefore the British money supply.
Interestingly, 100 years later, the New York Times ran a story stating that
Nathan Rothschild's grandson had attempted to secure a court order to suppress
a book with this, what we would call today, "insider trading," story in it.
The Rothschild family claimed the story was untrue and libelous, but the court
denied the Rothschilds request and ordered the family to pay all court costs.
Nathan Rothschild openly brags that in his 17 years in England he had increased
his initial £20,000 stake given to him by his father, 2500 times to £50,000,000.
Some people ask, why do bankers want war? Simple, bankers finance both sides
in a war. They do this because war is the biggest debt generator of them all.
A nation will borrow any amount for victory, even though the banks have already
predetermined the outcome. The ultimate loser is loaned just enough money to
hold out a vain hope of victory and the ultimate winner is given enough to
ensure that he does win.
How do the banks ensure they will get all their money back? Easy, such loans
are given on the guarantee that the victor will honor the debts of the
vanquished. Never mind the thousands of troops that give their lives on the
pretext it is for the honor of their respective nations, when it is actually
for the profits of bankers.
In fact, during the period between the founding of the Bank of England in
1694 and Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo this year, England had been at war
for 56 years, with much of the remaining time spent preparing for war.
If it's a good business for bankers' profits, then why change it.
 
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« Reply #27 on: 13 February 2013, 20:10:59 »

1910  Senator Aldrich returns from his two year European fact finding mission
on 22nd November. Shortly afterwards some of America's most wealthy and powerful
men boarded Senator Aldrich's private railcar in the strictest secrecy. They
journeyed to Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia.
 
In this group were Paul Warburg, who was earning a $500,000 a year salary from
Rothschild owned firm, Kuhn, Loeb & Company. This salary was for him to lobby for
a privately owned central bank in America. Also present was Jacob Schiff, a
Rothschild who had purchased Kuhn, Loeb and Company shortly after he arrived in
America from England.The Rothschilds, Warburgs and Schiffs, interconnected by
marriage, were essentially the same family.
 
Secrecy at this meeting was so tight that all the participants were cautioned to
use only first names, to prevent servants from learning their identities. Years
later, one participant, Frank Vanderlip, President of National Citibank and a
representative of the Rockefeller family, confirmed the Jekyll Island trip in
a 9th February 1935 edition of the Saturday Evening Post in which he stated,
"I was as secretive indeed, as furtive as any conspirator ... Discovery we knew,
simply must not happen, or else all our time and effort would be wasted. If it
were to be exposed that our particular group had got together and written a
banking bill, that bill would have no chance whatever of passage by Congress."
It was not just the setting up of a Central Bank that was on the agenda. Other
problems for these bankers were that the market share of these big national
banks was shrinking fast. In the first ten years of the century the number of
United States banks had more than doubled to over 20,000. By 1913 only 29% of
all banks were national banks and they held only 57% of all deposits. As
John D. Rockefeller put it, "Competition is Sin!" Senator Aldrich later
admitted in a magazine article, "Before passage of this Act, the New York
Bankers could only dominate the reserves of New York. Now we are able to
dominate bank reserves of the entire country."
 
So one of the aims of these conspirators was to bring these new banks under
their control. Secondly the nations economy was so strong that corporations
were starting to finance their own expansions out of profits instead of taking
out huge loans from large banks. Indeed, in the first ten years of the century,
70% of corporate funding came from profits.
 
Basically, American Industry was becoming independent of the money changers,
and the money changers were not about to let that happen.There was also much
discussion regarding the name of the new bank, which took place in a conference
room in the Jekyll Island Club Hotel. Aldrich believed the word, "bank," should
not even appear in the name. Warburg wanted to call the legislation, the,
"National Reserve Bill," or the, "Federal Reserve Bill." The idea was not only
to give the impression that the purpose of the new central bank was to stop bank
runs, but also to conceal its monopoly character.
 
However it was Senator Aldrich, the egomaniac, who insisted it be called the,
"Aldrich Bill." So, after nine days at Jekyll Island, the group dispersed. This
group of conspirators immediately set up an educational fund of $5,000,000 to
finance Professors at top universities to endorse the new bank.
 
The new central bank would be very similar to the old Bank Of The United States,
in that it would be given a monopoly over United States currency and create
that money out of nothing. Also in order to make the public think it was under
control of the Government, the plan called for the central bank to be run by a
board of governors appointed by the President and approved by the Senate.
This would not cause any undue problems for the bankers, as they knew they could
use their money to buy influence over the politicians, in order to ensure the
men they wanted got appointed to the board of governors.
 
1914 The start of World War I. In this war, the German Rothschilds loaned money
to the Germans, the British Rothschilds loaned money to the British, and the
French Rothschilds loaned money to the French. One year after the passage of
the Federal Reserve Bill, Representative Charles A Lindbergh Sr., outlined
how The Federal Reserve created the, "business cycle," and how they manipulated
that to their own advantage. He stated, "To cause high prices, all the Federal
Reserve Board will do will be to lower the rediscount rate ... , producing an
expansion of credit and a rising stock market, then when ... businessmen are
adjusted to these conditions, it can check ... prosperity in mid-career by
arbitrarily raising the rate of interest.
 
It can cause the pendulum of a rising and falling market to swing gently back
and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause violent fluctuations
by a greater rate variation, and in either case it will possess inside information
as to financial conditions and advance knowledge of the coming change, either up
or down. This is the strongest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands
of a special privilege class by any Government that ever existed.
The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest
possible profits from the use of other people's money. They know in advance
when to create panics to their advantage. They also know when to stop panic.
Inflation and deflation work equally well for them when they control finance."
 
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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Strange financial world
« Reply #28 on: 13 February 2013, 20:12:56 »

1916 President Wilson began to realize the gravity of the damage he had done to
America, by unleashing the Federal Reserve on the American people. He stated,

 
"We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled
governments in the civilized world - no longer a government of free opinion, no
longer a government by ... a vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion
and duress of a small group of dominant men. Some of the biggest men in the
United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something.
They know there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so
interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above
their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.
"

as seen real history was the fight for control of money and power between elected
govts/presidents and those bankers/money changers.. But finally this group win
and gain the total control globally.. Whoever fights against them is either assasinated
or brought down by several advanced methods.. Examples really numerous.. (first video)
 
The contractions and expansions of global economy is not random as explained above..
Just looking history easily points out who is responsible..
 
thanks for reading :y
 
 
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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Strange financial world
« Reply #29 on: 13 February 2013, 20:21:18 »

Cem .. with respect .. and I apologise if this seems personal, it is not intended to be rude.

Just because it's on utube  (or anywhere else on the internet) does not make it true.

There are many, many more resources of information, as well as the human ability to think, analyse, and make your own decision.

I don't need a film producer to tell me what he wants me to know, likewise I don't believe everything in the newspapers, or on the TV, or on the internet.

Your continuous posting of links, and claiming they "prove" your point, regardless of the subject matter, is slowly, but surely, destroying your credibility.

I know english is not your first language, ayet you speak it better than many on here, so use your brain and voice to put your point across, not links to the weird and wonderful

is that enough Mr Entwood ?
 
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