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[cleggy]

Thing is, the house isn't for the mother so much. It's for the family resulting from. What's the Alternative? Out on the streets for 11 human beings?

She stays where she is and she plus the (Potentialy many) father(s) are sterilised......

Then confiscate the sofa and fit some additional windows in the party wall

Plus her brood

It is like the Womb for Benefits next door but one, 5 kids three fathers none to be seen having expensive TV's, games machines, IPads, dining room furniture delivered. Why did we contribute all those years for this, and SWMBO can't retire for four extra years  

[Marks DTM Calib]

Er indoors works at a primary school in Wilford which has many children from over the river.

Many dont speak English, the kids often arrive having had no breakfast plus they have no respect and many cant even eat properly with a knife and fork!. Yet the parents sit outside in cars, smoking, designer cloths, trainers.....plus they have lots of kids and a house.

When they talk to the parents regarding behaviour responses such as 'thats your job to teach them that' are not uncommon.

[Kevin Wood]

The issue, in my mind, is that, for people on benefits, there appear to be no financial consequences of having children. You simply have as many as you like and the state pays you to look after them.

That is unfair, IMHO, because, back in the real world, where most of us live, there are very real financial consequences to face when considering starting a family, let alone having this many offspring. Feeding and clothing kids is expensive, giving up work to look after them is expensive, providing childcare if you don't give up work is expensive, and providing accommodation for them to live in is expensive, etc.. etc...

I know nothing about this particular lady's position so I'm not going to comment on what might be a load of trumped-up journalistic nonsense, but I know what sacrifices I'd have to make if Mrs. KW and I wanted to support 11 children, and I wonder what sacrifices she's made, especially as a single mother?

I also wonder if her actually ever finding work which will pay for childcare, accommodation, food, etc. for her children is possible? If not, surely the benefits system has put her in a position that has left her permanently living off taxpayer's money?

[feeutfo]

Indeed. As Kev so elequently puts it.

The personal situation of the individual involved is not up for questioning, lynching, insulting etc. how many times have we seen sensationalised journalism and bad reporting inspiring real bad feeling and worse. Who is worsed after all? The witch or the witch hunt?
 
The rules however, may well need re evaluation. I wonder, is each case taken on an individual basis? Does vamps have an insight? Perhaps?

[cleggy]

Indeed. As Kev so elequently puts it.

The personal situation of the individual involved is not up for questioning, lynching, insulting etc. how many times have we seen sensationalised journalism and bad reporting inspiring real bad feeling and worse. Who is worsed after all? The witch or the witch hunt?
 
The rules however, may well need re evaluation. I wonder, is each case taken on an individual basis? Does vamps have an insight? Perhaps?

One thing is for sure they certainly play the system to their full advantage 

[feeutfo]

Indeed. As Kev so elequently puts it.

The personal situation of the individual involved is not up for questioning, lynching, insulting etc. how many times have we seen sensationalised journalism and bad reporting inspiring real bad feeling and worse. Who is worsed after all? The witch or the witch hunt?
 
The rules however, may well need re evaluation. I wonder, is each case taken on an individual basis? Does vamps have an insight? Perhaps?

One thing is for sure they certainly play the system to their full advantage 

It seems to me that the system might be more to do with it, perhaps.

[Terbs]

Whatever 'system' you try to put in place will never work.....
Think about it.......in the first instance....how do you stop her having children....'forced steralisation'  definate no go area
So she has the kids.....put her on the streets to live....what about the children, they did not ask to be born.
Give her a council house, but no benefits....so they all starve ?? She knows that however many kids she has, she will be benefitted to the hilt.
Take the kids away.....a massive outcry would ensue from the do-good element....again a no go area. Kids would still have to be fed and homed, etc.

The plain fact of the matter is, there is no answer, at least not one that the do good society would accept. Its a sad fact of life that if you have the 'bugger to all and sundry' attitude, refuse to work, have kids by how ever many fathers, you will be paid for by the state, you will get a house, and you will be fed, you will not pay anything in return, and so you go on till you die......and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.

[cleggy]

Whatever 'system' you try to put in place will never work.....
Think about it.......in the first instance....how do you stop her having children....'forced steralisation'  definate no go area
So she has the kids.....put her on the streets to live....what about the children, they did not ask to be born.
Give her a council house, but no benefits....so they all starve ?? She knows that however many kids she has, she will be benefitted to the hilt.
Take the kids away.....a massive outcry would ensue from the do-good element....again a no go area. Kids would still have to be fed and homed, etc.

The plain fact of the matter is, there is no answer, at least not one that the do good society would accept. Its a sad fact of life that if you have the 'bugger to all and sundry' attitude, refuse to work, have kids by how ever many fathers, you will be paid for by the state, you will get a house, and you will be fed, you will not pay anything in return, and so you go on till you die......and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.

No benefits for more than two kids end off
If they know that they may stop breeding

[Kevin Wood]

Indeed. As Kev so elequently puts it.

The personal situation of the individual involved is not up for questioning, lynching, insulting etc. how many times have we seen sensationalised journalism and bad reporting inspiring real bad feeling and worse. Who is worsed after all? The witch or the witch hunt?
 
The rules however, may well need re evaluation. I wonder, is each case taken on an individual basis? Does vamps have an insight? Perhaps?

One thing is for sure they certainly play the system to their full advantage 

It seems to me that the system might be more to do with it, perhaps.

Exactly. How many Omegas VXR8s would you have if tyres, petrol and road tax were free from the government? So, this woman's "thing" is having kids, and she's in a position where, when they outgrow the current house, someone builds her a new one (as said, though, expect a lot of journalistic bullshit licence with this story). Can't really blame her, TBH, she's in a position where she can do her "thing" to excess without any personal consequence.

[Terbs]

Whatever 'system' you try to put in place will never work.....
Think about it.......in the first instance....how do you stop her having children....'forced steralisation'  definate no go area
So she has the kids.....put her on the streets to live....what about the children, they did not ask to be born.
Give her a council house, but no benefits....so they all starve ?? She knows that however many kids she has, she will be benefitted to the hilt.
Take the kids away.....a massive outcry would ensue from the do-good element....again a no go area. Kids would still have to be fed and homed, etc.

The plain fact of the matter is, there is no answer, at least not one that the do good society would accept. Its a sad fact of life that if you have the 'bugger to all and sundry' attitude, refuse to work, have kids by how ever many fathers, you will be paid for by the state, you will get a house, and you will be fed, you will not pay anything in return, and so you go on till you die......and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.

No benefits for more than two kids end off
If they know that they may stop breeding

If only it was as easy as that mate   Ok, so a single mother has a third kid....so you stop benefits....what happens then. Is the third child taken away ? It just would not happen, Cleggy.....the state will always give in and recompense. These sort of people will always win.

[feeutfo]

Indeed. As Kev so elequently puts it.

The personal situation of the individual involved is not up for questioning, lynching, insulting etc. how many times have we seen sensationalised journalism and bad reporting inspiring real bad feeling and worse. Who is worsed after all? The witch or the witch hunt?
 
The rules however, may well need re evaluation. I wonder, is each case taken on an individual basis? Does vamps have an insight? Perhaps?

One thing is for sure they certainly play the system to their full advantage 

It seems to me that the system might be more to do with it, perhaps.

Exactly. How many Omegas VXR8s would you have if tyres, petrol and road tax were free from the government? So, this woman's "thing" is having kids, and she's in a position where, when they outgrow the current house, someone builds her a new one (as said, though, expect a lot of journalistic bullshit licence with this story). Can't really blame her, TBH, she's in a position where she can do her "thing" to excess without any personal consequence.

Oh I'd be a right hore.

[Terbs]

Indeed. As Kev so elequently puts it.

The personal situation of the individual involved is not up for questioning, lynching, insulting etc. how many times have we seen sensationalised journalism and bad reporting inspiring real bad feeling and worse. Who is worsed after all? The witch or the witch hunt?
 
The rules however, may well need re evaluation. I wonder, is each case taken on an individual basis? Does vamps have an insight? Perhaps?

One thing is for sure they certainly play the system to their full advantage 

It seems to me that the system might be more to do with it, perhaps.

Exactly. How many Omegas VXR8s would you have if tyres, petrol and road tax were free from the government? So, this woman's "thing" is having kids, and she's in a position where, when they outgrow the current house, someone builds her a new one (as said, though, expect a lot of journalistic bullshit licence with this story). Can't really blame her, TBH, she's in a position where she can do her "thing" to excess without any personal consequence.

Oh I'd be a right hore.

Luv you poppet

[feeutfo]

Indeed. As Kev so elequently puts it.

The personal situation of the individual involved is not up for questioning, lynching, insulting etc. how many times have we seen sensationalised journalism and bad reporting inspiring real bad feeling and worse. Who is worsed after all? The witch or the witch hunt?
 
The rules however, may well need re evaluation. I wonder, is each case taken on an individual basis? Does vamps have an insight? Perhaps?

One thing is for sure they certainly play the system to their full advantage 

It seems to me that the system might be more to do with it, perhaps.

Exactly. How many Omegas VXR8s would you have if tyres, petrol and road tax were free from the government? So, this woman's "thing" is having kids, and she's in a position where, when they outgrow the current house, someone builds her a new one (as said, though, expect a lot of journalistic bullshit licence with this story). Can't really blame her, TBH, she's in a position where she can do her "thing" to excess without any personal consequence.

Oh I'd be a right hore.

Luv you poppet

Ooh look I'm all popular again.        

[Entwood]

Of course there's austerity .... has to be as we have no money ....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284673/World-War-Two-heros-family-forced-sell-medals-pay-heros-care-home-fees.html


so she gets a £400,000 house .. he has to sell his belongings ......

Just where is the fairness ??

Reaches for Blood Pressure Tablets ...

[tunnie]

Reading that original article though, its not one 400k house. Its two separate 200k houses with a joining walk/way door that will be removed once she dies of an STI  moves on.

So bit of media hype here yet again, if you ask me.