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Cyprus Bailout robbery!
« on: 16 March 2013, 14:35:35 »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21814325

Fantastic. Aa EU condition of receiving a bailout. A one off 6.75% levy next week on savings of less than 100,000 euros. 9.9% if you have more than 100,000 on deposit.

That will encourage folk in cash strapped countries to keep any under the mattress. Well done.
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« Reply #1 on: 16 March 2013, 14:37:46 »

Theft of individuals assets by the state.Pure and simple.I suspect we will see a lot more of this across the EU in the coming years - if it survives long enough.
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« Reply #2 on: 16 March 2013, 14:42:27 »

I think it will come off the rails when they impose a tax on value of houses as a lot of people might have equity in a house but not the ability to pay an extra tax.
 Rods2 (yet again) was accurate with his predictions of the state getting their hands on peoples money.
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« Reply #3 on: 16 March 2013, 14:56:18 »

I am just stunned at way this has been done. Underhanded bastards have done it on a holiday weekend, so that no one can even find out anything till Tuesday. Those poor, ordinary folk who have managed to put away a few bob for a rainy day.......shit on from a great height.
I am fickin seething and I hope the EU is proud of itself.

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« Reply #4 on: 16 March 2013, 14:57:23 »

AAAAARRRRGGGHHH......WHERE'S MY EFFING GUN....... >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #5 on: 16 March 2013, 15:19:09 »

Another nail in the coffin! :y :y :y :y :y
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Re: Cyprus Bailout robbery!
« Reply #6 on: 16 March 2013, 15:47:49 »

At least Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask and carry a gun so you knew he was a wrong 'un!!
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« Reply #7 on: 16 March 2013, 15:50:11 »

An absolute disgrace, so your savings in the banks get stolen  >:( >:( >:( >:(. How long do you get for bank robbery?

There will be an uprising against the EU  :y :y :y :y :y

VOTE UKIP
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« Reply #8 on: 16 March 2013, 16:04:58 »

This isn't about other "unfortunates".

Don't get lulled into complacency that this won't happen in the UK. The UK defecit is enormous. No lets be honest it is huge, huge huge. One day, the day of reckoning will come when the Uk needs cash. The precedent has been set. I still stick by my UK in the Euro within five years prediction.
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« Reply #9 on: 16 March 2013, 20:42:04 »

Oh and my buy gold recommendation should have set you in good store by now.

Use some of your dosh to buy heirloom seeds. It will augment your canned goods supply that you ought to stockpile.
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« Reply #10 on: 16 March 2013, 21:01:25 »

 ;D ;D ;D ;D rather robing barstuards >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Cyprus Bailout robbery!
« Reply #11 on: 16 March 2013, 21:05:31 »

Another commented: "Cyprus is cruelly punishing private investors. The new rule of the eurozone is that you can confiscate 10% from investors without hesitating."

In Berlin, German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble called the levy part of the "fair" distribution of the bailout's burden.


This is quite shocking, when did they make this a rule, I don't remember hearing anything about it...... >:( >:( >:(

Surly this will cause a run on the banks at a time they can least afford it, and what happens if everyone takes all their money out of the bank - can a bank refuse???  Maybe I should have bought some gold, swmbo would not complain.. ;) ;)

Are we not already paying for a 'fair distribution' caused be current difficult times with no pay rise in years and price increases well beyond inflation.......... :-X :-X
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« Reply #12 on: 16 March 2013, 21:19:02 »

Yes, pure state theft. >:( >:( >:(

Mind you every cloud and all that...UKIP are up to 17% in the ComRes poll tonight – a record for UKIP in any poll. :y :y
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« Reply #13 on: 16 March 2013, 21:47:03 »

This is one of many of my motivations for emigrating as the writing is on the wall for private property and savings in the UK and taxes are too high for business risks to make sense. The Conservatives had a window of opportunity to sort out Labour's mess and by choosing Camoron as leader, who choose his economically illiterate friend Osborne to be Chancellor. >:( >:( >:( >:( We are now over half way through this Parliament, so it is now too late for the necessary changes to be made, not that he has a clue what to do anyway, apart from what the socialists in the Treasury tell him is best. >:( >:( >:( >:( The three year window of opportunity they had is now closed as our national debts are now over 90% and growing and once you are over 90% you have started on the slippery slope to default. The ONLY way the UK can now avoid defaulting is by inflating our debts away, so savings and pensions for those who have already bought an annuity will be next to worthless over the next 5 to 10 years. The Mansion Tax from the 2015 Labour-Lib Government will be the start of the confiscation of ALL property. Desperate situations will require desperate measures as Cypriot bank account holders are now finding.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

The EU have done this (part of Merkel's electioneering) on the basis of Russian Mafia money in Cypriot banks and indeed some of the money there will be. But these is also much legitimate Russian and Ukrainian money from a very favourable tax agreement between Russia and Cyprus, which Ukraine also uses. The previous Cypriot President has in large part created this situation where he was an out and out communist who wasted large amounts of money and supported those, who supported him. ::) Cyprus is now one of the more corrupt countries in Europe. It will also hit UK property owners, who will have bank accounts there.

Where the Greek Sovereign debt haircut, which only included private investment and not EU institutions has hit investment in the Eurozone bonds from the private sector, so the same will be true in future for any sort of investment. What investors and business people hate most of all in uncertainty, as the return of the money is always more important than the return on the money. I very much doubt that Russia will take this sitting down and also where many Russian and Ukrainian businesses in Cyprus (many shell companies) will have been hurt, they will now relocate elsewhere, so Cyprus will lose this Corporation Tax.

Even worse about 50% of the money deposited in Cyprus is from Russians, I now expect capital flight from Cyprus to probably Switzerland, how will Cypriot banks cope with this and will the Cypriot Government either have to use Target 2 borrowing to cover this or introduce capital controls in the next few days? If they use Target 2 borrowing, this will increase Northern Europe's liabilities in the event of a Euro breakup.

In the past I looked at Cyprus for an off-shore company with their 10% corporation tax and then decided that for various reasons, including being inside the Euro and EU and all the uncertainty this involves with tax uncertainty due to future tax harmonization within the Eurozone and also local politics and corruption. One of the Caribbean tax havens will better suit my purpose.

Taxes on savings and foreign company dividends in Ukraine are 5%, so it will reduce my tax bill and also I need a stronger place for the rule of law for all of my Intellectual Property than Ukraine, so setting up a company in somewhere like the Cayman Islands makes sense and also having a US dollar account will help, where I hope some of my business interests within two years will be stateside.

I have been hit hard by the current recession and always had a passing interest in economics, so I decided in 2008, never again, do I want to be behind the curve and get hurt financially, so this is why I'm now trying to keep ahead of the curve, out of self interest, but I'm always happy to share those thoughts with you as your comments and knowledge provoke further thoughts and further my understanding, where I still have much to learn.
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« Reply #14 on: 16 March 2013, 21:57:02 »

I saw on sky news tonight that even the British squaddies based there, with money in Cypriot banks, will have to pay. I had to pinch myself. Where are the anarchists when you need them?
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