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[Lazydocker]

Clear as mud!!  

No, I'm joking... Now you've highlighted it it's perfectly clear.

Bang goes the idea of having SWMBO towing the caravan!! Unless of course I put L plates on it!!  

[platty]

I agree with you there H21 - I still think it is ridiculous to use that figure though...

Oh well, I had better get the trailer weighed then.  

[Lazydocker]

mmmm .. now then now then ...

If I get H21's idea .. and I accept his expertise here ..

Miggey with a trailer MAM = 3845 from the plate .. so exceeds 3500, however ...  the "up to 750" bit kicks in allowing a MAM of 4.25 ... so you can actually tow a trailer with a GROSS weight of 405 kgs with that miggy on a B licence !!!!

or am I still wrong ??

 :-/ :-/

Huh  :-? :-? :-?

Where does the 3500Kg Miggy come from?? I think... 2245Kg MAM Miggy + 750Kg trailer comes to 2995Kg MAM (combination) on a Cat B license.  :-/ :-/ :question

[hotel21]

mmmm .. now then now then ...

If I get H21's idea .. and I accept his expertise here ..

Miggey with a trailer MAM = 3845 from the plate .. so exceeds 3500, however ...  the "up to 750" bit kicks in allowing a MAM of 4.25 ... so you can actually tow a trailer with a GROSS weight of 405 kgs with that miggy on a B licence !!!!

or am I still wrong ??

 :-/ :-/

sort of...

Two seperate but linked things.  

On the one hand, there are manufacturer restrictions - 3850 kgs train MAM as stipulated by the manufacturers plate.

On the other, DVLA restrictions with the 750 kg trailer bit, with an upper restriction etc of 4250 kgs.  

This latter 4250 cannot supercede the manufacturer restrictions as its a general licencing exception, not a physical one, if you follow.

What the chap needs to do is as I already said.  Take empty trailer to a weighbridge and weigh it and do some sums....

[Lazydocker]

I thought I was cracking up then... Couldn't find the post I quoted but H21 did the same!!

[Andy B]

I'm glad I passed my test in '79 cos after reading all the above posts I'm completely confuddled!  :-?

[Lazydocker]

It took us a while to work it out!!  

[Mr Skrunts]

I havent read the thread in great detail.  But a simple way to iron out confusion is this.

What ever in on (roofrack) , behind (in or on) regards a trailer/van and inside the car. Driven to holidays like a campsite for example on a public high way is whats gets weighed.  (The rolling train)

That includes passengers. (most people do not take them into account)

In the case of being overladen I would then imagine it ends on the weight distribution per axle (Trailer being classed as one of the axle units)

[Lazydocker]

I havent read the thread in great detail.  But a simple way to iron out confusion is this.

What ever in on (roofrack) , behind (in or on) regards a trailer/van and inside the car. Driven to holidays like a campsite for example on a public high way is whats gets weighed.  (The rolling train)

That includes passengers. (most people do not take them into account)

In the case of being overladen I would then imagine it ends on the weight distribution per axle (Trailer being classed as one of the axle units)

Thanks... But should have read the thread!!! Discussing what can be towed on a Cat B license. It's been very confusing!!  

[Entwood]

I thought I was cracking up then... Couldn't find the post I quoted but H21 did the same!!

I deleted it because as I re-read it I realised my own error ...  and at that point no-one had replied .... some-one (who shall be nameless .... ) did a quote far too fast  !!  

Note to self .. learn to either ... type faster.. or ...make fewer mistakes ..  

[Lazydocker]

 

I think you meant some people!!  

[Mr Skrunts]

I havent read the thread in great detail.  But a simple way to iron out confusion is this.

What ever in on (roofrack) , behind (in or on) regards a trailer/van and inside the car. Driven to holidays like a campsite for example on a public high way is whats gets weighed.  (The rolling train)

That includes passengers. (most people do not take them into account)

In the case of being overladen I would then imagine it ends on the weight distribution per axle (Trailer being classed as one of the axle units)

Thanks... But should have read the thread!!! Discussing what can be towed on a Cat B license. It's been very confusing!!  

 

Feet first, think later, my excuses is that my brain still hurts.

Sorry guys, will gen up 1st  

[Entwood]

I've just got back from a meeting at which there were several 'vanners/towers of various ages - we had a chat after and I posed this question...

5 out of 6 were, like me, convinced that as long as the total actual weight was below 3500, the trailer was less than the tug, and the trailer was not overloaded.. then it was legal to tow on a B licence - in fact thats all 2 have !!

The only guy who new the correct rules was the one we all take the piss out of for towing what we consider an "unmatched" outfit ...he now tells us his van is 1500 kgs and his Vectra 2.2 is also 1500kgs  so he is "legal" ... 3000 kgs with a MAM of 3100 and the trailer is not heavier than the car.

Problem is, he is the guy you all hate ... underpowered, running at at least 100%, and probably overloaded van IF it was actually weighed when its got the bikes/barby etc etc etc inside ..
 
So it seems to me .. this law encourages small cars to tow large-ish vans as folks don't want to take the +E bit ..

Not good ?? or have I got it wrong ... again ??  

[Andy B]

Could we old(er) farts take the E bit if we wanted? And if we did, where would you go, what kind of trailer would you use & would you take your own?  :-/ As said, all as clear as mud!  :-/

[platty]

I've just got back from a meeting at which there were several 'vanners/towers of various ages - we had a chat after and I posed this question...

5 out of 6 were, like me, convinced that as long as the total actual weight was below 3500, the trailer was less than the tug, and the trailer was not overloaded.. then it was legal to tow on a B licence - in fact thats all 2 have !!

The only guy who new the correct rules was the one we all take the piss out of for towing what we consider an "unmatched" outfit ...he now tells us his van is 1500 kgs and his Vectra 2.2 is also 1500kgs  so he is "legal" ... 3000 kgs with a MAM of 3100 and the trailer is not heavier than the car.

Problem is, he is the guy you all hate ... underpowered, running at at least 100%, and probably overloaded van IF it was actually weighed when its got the bikes/barby etc etc etc inside ..
 
So it seems to me .. this law encourages small cars to tow large-ish vans as folks don't want to take the +E bit ..

Not good ?? or have I got it wrong ... again ??  

That is very similar to my understanding entwood, however I do also see it from the lawful (H21) point of view as well.

I am not sure I would be towing anything over 750kgs at the minute, but work have agreed to put me through the B+E test asap as I will have to start transporting race cars soon.

I still say it is a ridiculous and pointless rule - at the end of the day did drivers become worse during 1997 ??

Thanks for everyones advice though, didn't intend for this to get so confusing, heated or involved  :-/