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[Rog]

 
 
 
red meat alone is dangerous either cooked or raw..  best method is boiling but no one likes it including me..
 
however, if you look at the herbivores and carnivores avg life times, you will understand why red meat will kill you quickly..
 
as for alcohol , I also like it especially rakı (locak drink 40-45 degrees) and scotch whisky..
 
but after some serious events I decided that it doesnt help my health so I consume them very rarely and not more than a glass..sometimes I want more but no way..
 
also I discovered that some countries citizens are more resistent to alcohol.. however, it doesnt guarantee that you wont be caught by cirrhosis.. it only depends on the rate you drink.. please keep in mind liver cells are finite.. and their renewal rate quckly drops with age..
 
so please be careful what you consume.. 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/12/eating-too-much-red-meat-can-kill_n_1339428.html
 
http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/clear%E2%80%99-evidence-red-meat-kills

mmm plants live a year and die, fish about 5 years, poultry about 3 years ..

so going by your theory we have to eat elephants and tortoises in order to have a long life ..

I think not ..


and I've managed 62 years on un(der)cooked red meat ..

Well of course, there's the old story . . . . . (cut very short)

Man goes to doctor not feeling to good, and worried about dying.

Doctor tells him to stop smoking, give up sex, stop drinking alcohol, turn vegetarian, stop all caffeine, and run 25Km a day.

The man asks " will that make me live longer ?"

Doctor replies "No! . . . it will just seem like it"

Maybe its a case of quality not quantity ?   

[bigegg]

As varche said t'other day:

For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on nutrition
and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting
nutritional studies.

1. The Japanese eat very little fat
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Britons.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Britons.

3. The Chinese drink very little red wine
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Britons.

4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Britons.

5. The Germans drink a lot of beers and eat lots of sausages
and fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than Britons.

CONCLUSION

Eat and drink what you like.
Speaking English is apparently the problem.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Although I have never drunk excessively (well only twice or thrice!! ) I have ate raw meat and vegetables all my life, so has my mum (who is 87 this year) and her mum who reached 80.

Raw bacon, sausages, sausage meat, liver, steak, hamburgers, beef mince, etc, but never chicken, have been consumed since I stood by the side of my mother, certainly since the age of 5, and helped myself to bacon pieces, then sausage meat, and we went from there.  All vegetables I can consume raw, although potatoes are better cooked.

Never had any real health problems from doing so, and of course my mum and grandmother did not either!

Yum yum!!  

[Kevin Wood]

In my experience of loved ones who have died relatively young, it's the ones who worry about everything in life who should change their lifestyle.

[ozzycat]

we all eat what food we like and dont eat food we dont like whats the problem food dosent kill you over eating kills you same as drink  so eat what you like but dont over eat drink what you like but dont get pissed all the time  what im trying to say is enloy your food and drink but do it sensibly and everybodys happy im havung a chinky tonight yum


saved up for a month so we could have it

[Gaffers]

Yup, you can try and eat healthy, turn veggie, do lots of exercise, not smoke, use factor 50 sunblock......

.......but you can do fe€k all about the car that runs you over and kills you.

[ozzycat]

Yup, you can try and eat healthy, turn veggie, do lots of exercise, not smoke, use factor 50 sunblock......

.......but you can do fe€k all about the car that runs you over and kills you.

[dbug]

Life is for living, not worrying about it.  Viva boeuf bleu et vin rouge

I remember an uncle of mine who smoked heavily all his life and eventually died of lung cancer - at the ripe old age of 99

[Lizzie_Zoom]

In other words, when your number is up you die! 

[cleggy]

Eat, drink and be merry

[Rog]

In other words, when your number is up you die! 

Actually, correct

Some time ago there was an interview on TV with some geneticist. To cut a long story short, to a significant extent your genes dictate your longevity. But of course you can hurry things along a bit with a poor lifestyle, diet etc. He was asked if this could be predicted, to which his reply was an absolute yes it can. Had he predicted his own ? Yes he had and he was a short liver.

Here comes my conspiracy theory  If the above is true, and I believe it is, the effect could be huge if routine gene analysis was permitted. Hospitals could restrict treatment, insurance companies could refuse cover or increase premiums for certain people, employers could vet people, all sorts of things. How else do you explain young fit men dropping dead, but the old boozer who gets to 90+ ?, and families in whom people all live "to a ripe old age" and other that don't. Sorry, but it's in your genes as they say.



 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

In other words, when your number is up you die! 

Actually, correct

Some time ago there was an interview on TV with some geneticist. To cut a long story short, to a significant extent your genes dictate your longevity. But of course you can hurry things along a bit with a poor lifestyle, diet etc. He was asked if this could be predicted, to which his reply was an absolute yes it can. Had he predicted his own ? Yes he had and he was a short liver.

Here comes my conspiracy theory  If the above is true, and I believe it is, the effect could be huge if routine gene analysis was permitted. Hospitals could restrict treatment, insurance companies could refuse cover or increase premiums for certain people, employers could vet people, all sorts of things. How else do you explain young fit men dropping dead, but the old boozer who gets to 90+ ?, and families in whom people all live "to a ripe old age" and other that don't. Sorry, but it's in your genes as they say.

That is undoubtedly right Rog.  But I would add that where there is the factor of accidents, war, and suicide, it is often a case that many find if their number is not up they survive remarkable events, unscathed, when many others die. I have known WW2 servicemen, and they firmly believed that no bomb or bullet had their name on it as they "escaped" through so much, where certain death seemed guaranteed, but they survived.  We are all born at "the time" for that event, and we die "as programmed", determined I believe by God, but others may wish to say "fate".  Whatever, when we need to go we do so.   

[cleggy]

In other words, when your number is up you die! 

Actually, correct

Some time ago there was an interview on TV with some geneticist. To cut a long story short, to a significant extent your genes dictate your longevity. But of course you can hurry things along a bit with a poor lifestyle, diet etc. He was asked if this could be predicted, to which his reply was an absolute yes it can. Had he predicted his own ? Yes he had and he was a short liver.

Here comes my conspiracy theory  If the above is true, and I believe it is, the effect could be huge if routine gene analysis was permitted. Hospitals could restrict treatment, insurance companies could refuse cover or increase premiums for certain people, employers could vet people, all sorts of things. How else do you explain young fit men dropping dead, but the old boozer who gets to 90+ ?, and families in whom people all live "to a ripe old age" and other that don't. Sorry, but it's in your genes as they say.

I think you may have just made Cem's day 

[cem_devecioglu]

 
 
 
red meat alone is dangerous either cooked or raw..  best method is boiling but no one likes it including me..
 
however, if you look at the herbivores and carnivores avg life times, you will understand why red meat will kill you quickly..
 
as for alcohol , I also like it especially rakı (locak drink 40-45 degrees) and scotch whisky..
 
but after some serious events I decided that it doesnt help my health so I consume them very rarely and not more than a glass..sometimes I want more but no way..
 
also I discovered that some countries citizens are more resistent to alcohol.. however, it doesnt guarantee that you wont be caught by cirrhosis.. it only depends on the rate you drink.. please keep in mind liver cells are finite.. and their renewal rate quckly drops with age..
 
so please be careful what you consume.. 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/12/eating-too-much-red-meat-can-kill_n_1339428.html
 
http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/clear%E2%80%99-evidence-red-meat-kills

mmm plants live a year and die, fish about 5 years, poultry about 3 years ..

so going by your theory we have to eat elephants and tortoises in order to have a long life ..

I think not ..


and I've managed 62 years on un(der)cooked red meat ..

Entwood, I wish you will have many more healthy ages.. 
 
but there are various facts that effect your health together nutrition. Primarily your genetical code, than your daily activity and finally your food..  We must remember that we are all walking bio-chemical factories not humans made up of plastic and steel.. there are numerous bio-chemical reactions at the human cell level and unfortunately fix gradients (chemicals/molecules) always give the same chemical results.. however, if your genetic code have a tendency for cancer or other diseases  you may easily get those health problems .. And in any case there is no reason to digest dangerous chemicals..  Here daily activity is also very critical as it means you will get more oxygen and prevent your cells mutating (turn to cancer)  and using sugar to obtain oxygen.. Older members may remember my previous threads that tells a Jewish origin German scientist have discovered that when cells cant obtain enough oxygen they mutate .. Also he discovered that saturated fats can block cells  causing the same results.. So animal based saturated fats are harmful.. and besides when you eat a barbacue or a fried meat you get free radicals which are also harmful.. However, if you have an active life , human body will have enough oxygen , enough blood circulation and liver+kidneys can defeat those harmful things to an extent (but not completely)..  I know many old painters living in a completely poisinous envrionment but when they stop they die within few months ..  But nowadays new generations are not that active , they rarely walk long distances, spend most of their time inside home/office which calls health problems even without dangerous food..
 
 

[cem_devecioglu]

Sounds like an absolutely perfect meal to me..

As a mate of mine used to say when asked how he'd like his meat done:

"Wipe its' arse and walk it through the kitchen."

As said, I'd be far more worried about overcooked meat, and as for avoiding alcohol....

Kevin, I cant say every human is same and shows same risks , but whatever your body/liver capacity is , it is finite.. so please be  careful and dont neglect regular exercise