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[Rods2]

Pictures loaded ok but a bit of a non comparison imho better would be the performance and economy figures from the more powerful of the two straight six diesels or a 3.0 petrol BMW

To get that level of performance than you need to LPG or fit a v6 3.6 engine and LPG. Now fitting the new bi-turbo with 420hp, and 8 speed autobox into a miggy will make an interesting project when crate engines become available as I suspect with LPG you will get BMW fuel costs and I would expect to get change out of £10k for a new engine, gearbox and LSD. The Cadillac CTX with this engine fitted has a quoted 0-60 in 4.3 seconds.

There is no doubt that fuel consumption has much improved for petrol and diesel engines over the last few years as expected. It does not however solve the problem with what you replace a miggy estate with as the Jaguar Sportbrake at £50k or E-series Merc at around the same price once loaded with all the toys seem to me to be the only options.

I've also come to the conclusion that petrol plus LPG is better than diesel where I know several people that have had very expensive bills for DPFs, leaking injectors, turbos and fuel pumps.

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Pictures loaded ok but a bit of a non comparison imho better would be the performance and economy figures from the more powerful of the two straight six diesels or a 3.0 petrol BMW

To get that level of performance than you need to LPG or fit a v6 3.6 engine and LPG. Now fitting the new bi-turbo with 420hp, and 8 speed autobox into a miggy will make an interesting project when crate engines become available as I suspect with LPG you will get BMW fuel costs and I would expect to get change out of £10k for a new engine, gearbox and LSD. The Cadillac CTX with this engine fitted has a quoted 0-60 in 4.3 seconds.

There is no doubt that fuel consumption has much improved for petrol and diesel engines over the last few years as expected. It does not however solve the problem with what you replace a miggy estate with as the Jaguar Sportbrake at £50k or E-series Merc at around the same price once loaded with all the toys seem to me to be the only options.

I've also come to the conclusion that petrol plus LPG is better than diesel where I know several people that have had very expensive bills for DPFs, leaking injectors, turbos and fuel pumps.

Good point 

I'm not saying the BMW would make an Omega replacement cost is far too great, (price aside) That BMW is some machine unless their being optimistic  . Only came across it while browsing on AutoTrader just to pass some time came across that BMW and had to check those figures twice was surprised tbh 

Maybe in 10-15 years or so that BMW will be affordable 

[YZ250]

Good point 

I'm not saying the BMW would make an Omega replacement cost is far too great, (price aside) That BMW is some machine unless their being optimistic  . Only came across it while browsing on AutoTrader just to pass some time came across that BMW and had to check those figures twice was surprised tbh 

Maybe in 10-15 years or so that BMW will be affordable 

No they're not........well not really.  Ours achieved an average of 53mpg on a long motorway run at a fair speed for the whole duration. Based on mainly around town driving, with a bit of cruising around at weekends it averages around 40-42mpg. It will do 155mph where permitted with ease and gives you a childish grin at traffic light Grand Prix. It is diesel but roars like a petrol when prodded.  People seem to hate you for having it but it really is an eye-opener, with monstrous torque. It takes something pretty damn quick to beat it.  A petrol one would not get past it. 

An Omega replacement, hmmm, nice thought but price wise it will never compare so pointless arguing that one, but if you can afford one, it is an awesome engine.  Compare bmw's own mid-range figures for the big diesels and see how close they come to a 'M', and you may be surprised. 

That's my own personal findings, but if others choose to hate them that's their prerogative. 

Mr. Gixer:
I definitely do not stick my elbow out when I'm bullying my way straight in to lane 3.  .....well, I don't think I do. 

[Rods2]

Personally, I've nothing against BMWs or Mercs, to me it is a case of finding the best car to suit my needs at the time.

[henryd]

Is the BMW 3.0 diseasal particularly special? How does the GM/Isuzu 3.0 V6 diesel used in the Signum compare?

A bit down on power for the same capacity but still nice to drive behind

[Shackeng]

Personally, I've nothing against BMWs or Mercs, to me it is a case of finding the best car to suit my needs at the time.

Not read today's ST driving section yet than?

[chrisgixer]

I've always said BMW do know how to make a car. Just a shame thier customers let them and everyone down, generally speaking.

As i've also said before about the e39 diesels, swirl flaps aside(google that one before buying any BMW diesel) that they take some real feats of engineering to achieve those performance figures. And that comes at a cost, both in monetary terms and after reasonable mileage, reliability terms as well.

For instance most diesels run thier fuel system at massive pressure. Something close to 450 Bar iirc. So it takes several pumps in the the fuel system to increase, and increase ,and then increase again, the fuel pressure to the injectors.

The injectors themselves are enormous. Over a foot long, weigh a ton and are hugely expensive to replace. Refurb for one injector iirc is approaching £100 each. I seem to remember. Del Boy may know he's had the problem.

They do reasonable miles before they play up though, afaik, but from an Oof point if view, the mileage these will have on them by the time they become an omega replacement money wise, all these faults are going to be very real concerns.(faults may be a bit strong, end of service life is probably fairer)

Add in suspension wear and multi link suspension parts to be replaced almost without fail at 120k miles, they can be a bit of a mine field at the cheaper end if the used car market.

This is from e39 though, but I don't see any reason to assume the newer models won't go a similar way.

Anyone?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I've always said BMW do know how to make a car. Just a shame thier customers let them and everyone down, generally speaking.

As i've also said before about the e39 diesels, swirl flaps aside(google that one before buying any BMW diesel) that they take some real feats of engineering to achieve those performance figures. And that comes at a cost, both in monetary terms and after reasonable mileage, reliability terms as well.

For instance most diesels run thier fuel system at massive pressure. Something close to 450 Bar iirc. So it takes several pumps in the the fuel system to increase, and increase ,and then increase again, the fuel pressure to the injectors.

The injectors themselves are enormous. Over a foot long, weigh a ton and are hugely expensive to replace. Refurb for one injector iirc is approaching £100 each. I seem to remember. Del Boy may know he's had the problem.

They do reasonable miles before they play up though, afaik, but from an Oof point if view, the mileage these will have on them by the time they become an omega replacement money wise, all these faults are going to be very real concerns.(faults may be a bit strong, end of service life is probably fairer)

Add in suspension wear and multi link suspension parts to be replaced almost without fail at 120k miles, they can be a bit of a mine field at the cheaper end if the used car market.

This is from e39 though, but I don't see any reason to assume the newer models won't go a similar way.

Anyone?

The last BMW that has not been beaten with the ugly stick. I like the E39.

[chrisgixer]

If I was forced, at gun point, to own a BMW, and it was my money, I'd go for one too.

Quite like the shape of the new 5 estates (relatively speaking of course ) especially the rear. Christ what am I saying. Must be the heat.

[henryd]

I've always said BMW do know how to make a car. Just a shame thier customers let them and everyone down, generally speaking.

As i've also said before about the e39 diesels, swirl flaps aside(google that one before buying any BMW diesel) that they take some real feats of engineering to achieve those performance figures. And that comes at a cost, both in monetary terms and after reasonable mileage, reliability terms as well.

For instance most diesels run thier fuel system at massive pressure. Something close to 450 Bar iirc. So it takes several pumps in the the fuel system to increase, and increase ,and then increase again, the fuel pressure to the injectors.

The injectors themselves are enormous. Over a foot long, weigh a ton and are hugely expensive to replace. Refurb for one injector iirc is approaching £100 each. I seem to remember. Del Boy may know he's had the problem.

They do reasonable miles before they play up though, afaik, but from an Oof point if view, the mileage these will have on them by the time they become an omega replacement money wise, all these faults are going to be very real concerns.(faults may be a bit strong, end of service life is probably fairer)

Add in suspension wear and multi link suspension parts to be replaced almost without fail at 120k miles, they can be a bit of a mine field at the cheaper end if the used car market.

This is from e39 though, but I don't see any reason to assume the newer models won't go a similar way.

Anyone?

The last BMW that has not been beaten with the ugly stick. I like the E39.

Me too,lovely looking cars

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The Bangle inspired cars look like they've been designed by a dozen different people, none of which have seen what the others have been up to.

 

[Kevin Wood]

The Bangle inspired cars look like they've been designed by a dozen different people, none of which have seen what the others have been up to.
 

In my experience of working within German companies, I'd say that's entirely possible.

[albitz]

If were talking Beemers it would always have to be the e38 for me. I think they are a gorgeous car.
If it weren't for the cost of fuel I would be bidding on this one.Elegant and aggressive at the same time,like a beautiful car should be. The current generation Beemers haven't a shred of elegance about them imo.                                                http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111117342292?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649