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Is it too late?
« on: 03 August 2013, 17:45:08 »

What with us moving this coming week I've been sorting paperwork etc. to let officialdom know of the address change,V5s for the cars and all that kind of stuff.Anyway got driving licence out to photocopy it before sending it off only to notice that last time we moved[just coming up 20yrs ago]and I sent it off it came back minus my motorbike entitlement!My own daft fault should have checked more closely,but basically just checked to make sure address details were correct and left it at that.Is there any way [other than taking test again that I can get this entitlement back?As said we've been here nearly 20yrs and it was 1970 when I passed my test so records are going to be hard to come by don't you think?
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Re: Is it too late?
« Reply #1 on: 03 August 2013, 17:54:42 »

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Is there any way [other than taking test again that I can get this entitlement back?As said we've been here nearly 20yrs and it was 1970 when I passed my test so records are going to be hard to come by don't you think?

I've a feeling that Entwood was in this situation. Pretty sure the upshot was that he'd have to take the test again if he wanted his bike licence again!  >:(
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« Reply #2 on: 03 August 2013, 18:10:14 »

They have been removing motorcycle entitlement from peoples licences for years.They wont admit it or say why,but it happens a lot.You cant get it put back on unless you can produce your pass slip from your test,or have a photocopy of your old licence with the entitlement on it.
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Re: Is it too late?
« Reply #3 on: 03 August 2013, 18:16:40 »

Posted on another forum March this year : I think we've all read before about the DVLA errors (read horrors) when renewing a licence and having it returned missing entitlements, sometimes HGV but mostly Category A motorcycle entitlements, in some cases resulting in having to take a test again as they wouldn't admit their mistake.

Well, now DVLA have decided to do it the other way around which is many ways is more alarming, handing back licences with Category A on them and then advising on the telephone that it is indeed a full motorbike licence.

I phoned and questioned this myself, repeatedly and was told categorically it was an unrestricted motorbike licence, something which it can't be in this case.

So how many idiots will now get a licence back, give DVLA a call and get the same information I've had and be out on the road?

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Article from MCN...December 2009.
MCN has ensured no more motorcyclists need lose their licence to DVLA cock-ups by rewriting the government agency’s policy on licence renewals.

DVLA bosses have agreed to immediately implement an MCN proposal that old licences be returned to riders when replacements are issued.

It means that if motorcycle entitlement is missing from the new licence, riders will have the old one to prove it.

We put the proposal forward in August after hearing hundreds of reports of DVLA deleting people’s motorcycle entitlement in a saga which spanned years.

Rider’s who’ve had to take a motorcycle test from scratch include Donington Park chief executive Simon Gillett and a police technician who’d been riding force bikes for over a decade.

Our proposal won the backing of the RAC, AA, MPs and many of you who signed a petition. Because it has been adopted, no-one who has genuinely had a motorcycle licence in the past need ever retake their test.

DVLA’s decision follows a consultation with motorcycle groups, the police and MCN.

Our original proposal was that old licences be returned with the corner cut off. DVLA has agreed instead to return them with a hole punched in the photograph.

The agency was concerned some people may try to pass the old licence off as a current one by covering the corner with a finger while showing it to police.

Paper licences will be returned with ‘cancelled’ stamped on them.

The new procedure will apply whenever any licence holders apply for a replacement licence, for example because their address has changed or because their photocard licence has expired.

All they must to do to get the old one back is include a stamped self-addressed envelope with the application and a note asking for it to be returned. The change comes into effect immediately.

DVLA’s decision was announced today by the agency’s corporate affairs director David Evans.

He said: “If you put a stamped address envelope in with your application and ask us to return your old licence, we’ll return it to you with a hole punched through the photograph on it.

"If you send the paper counterpart in, we’ll send that back with ‘cancelled’ stamped on it.”

The stamped self-addressed envelope is needed because old licences are processed at a different DVLA office to the one which issues replacements. 

Evans said licence holders who had changed address could alternatively keep their old licence until the new one arrived if they did the application on the agency’s website.

For a full report on this, get next week’s MCN, on sale December 16.   :-\

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« Reply #4 on: 03 August 2013, 18:24:36 »

Interesting reading. :y
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« Reply #5 on: 03 August 2013, 18:28:07 »

I had the same problem some years back, and had to retake my test again. when I spoke to DVLA they told me that unless I could prove I had passed the motorcycle test with either a pass certificate, or a letter from a policeman, vicar, or a magistrate then the answer was no hence me having to retake my test which I passed, but it is the cost involved so now I always photocopy before I send it off
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Re: Is it too late?
« Reply #6 on: 03 August 2013, 18:34:59 »

I passed my bike licence with the RAF in Germany as a Squadron DR many years ago, which exempted me from the UK test. However, the RAF later denied having any record of this - despite issuing me with a 500cc Triumph side valve twin to play with - so I was unable to persuade DVLA to issue me with a UK one. >:( >:( >:(

Sorry to divert the thread. ::)
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Re: Is it too late?
« Reply #7 on: 03 August 2013, 18:36:32 »

I've not heard of this particular omission before, so I've just checked my pink plastic licence.

It's all on the back. I passed my bike test (Yamaha RD250) on the 25th May 1977. :y :y :y
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Re: Is it too late?
« Reply #8 on: 03 August 2013, 18:39:33 »

They have been removing motorcycle entitlement from peoples licences for years.They wont admit it or say why,but it happens a lot.You cant get it put back on unless you can produce your pass slip from your test,or have a photocopy of your old licence with the entitlement on it.


Likely to be dusty parchment by now. :-\
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Re: Is it too late?
« Reply #9 on: 03 August 2013, 19:05:43 »

thats mine lost then,moved 3 times had 5 plus liecences now on a 2nd plastic one >:(
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Re: Is it too late?
« Reply #10 on: 04 August 2013, 00:51:57 »

I've not heard of this particular omission before, so I've just checked my pink plastic licence.

It's all on the back. I passed my bike test (Yamaha RD250) on the 25th May 1977. :y :y :y
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+1....... :y

Honda CB250 9th October 1974......... ;) ;)

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« Reply #11 on: 04 August 2013, 08:37:48 »

I didn't bother with the test until 1998. :-X ::)
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Re: Is it too late?
« Reply #12 on: 04 August 2013, 09:42:04 »

I've not heard of this particular omission before, so I've just checked my pink plastic licence.

It's all on the back. I passed my bike test (Yamaha RD250) on the 25th May 1977. :y :y :y

+1....... :y

Honda CB250 9th October 1974......... ;) ;)

You old buggers

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« Reply #13 on: 04 August 2013, 10:31:20 »

Wondering though, is there a legitimate case for re taking a test after an entitlement has laid dormant for x amount of years ..?

ESP given born again biker syndrome. Of which I'd be one if I rode on the road again.


I also have no idea how much it costs or what's involved to take a modern test mind. I bet its bloody expensive and long winded...?

Thinking again though, a re test specific to a full power machine would be more relevant maybe?
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Re: Is it too late?
« Reply #14 on: 04 August 2013, 10:50:54 »

I agree that retesting may be beneficial for those that haven't ridden for 20yrs etc. Weighed against th cost of  bike and all the gear, £500ish isn't that dear for some training and a test.

However, clearly the current test is flawed, as we all know of middle aged men who have never ridden, taken the intense course, passed, bought an R1 and quickly killed themselves.
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