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Finnish Rally. How do modern rally cars stack up ?
« on: 07 August 2013, 21:59:37 »
Just been watching ITV4 coverage of the Finnish rally. Nice to see them using that unpronouncable high speed stage with all the yumps. 160 in 33Km. (Ouninpohja.)

Anyway it got me thinking that technology has moved on. Better brakes, tyres and suspension for example but how do todays cars stack up on stage times compared to the 4 wheel drive Audi Quattros and the like.?  Anyone know or have a view?
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Re: Finnish Rally. How do modern rally cars stack up ?
« Reply #1 on: 07 August 2013, 22:02:54 »
Hi Varche.

I believe the times are going to be very different. I base that view on the Audi Quatro vs ford focus (I think it was a focus) they did on top gear. they were basically saying how ''reasonably priced'' hatches nowadays give about the same performance iirc.

cant give you stage time differences though, soz

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Re: Finnish Rally. How do modern rally cars stack up ?
« Reply #2 on: 07 August 2013, 23:23:13 »
The old Group B cars had (over) twice as much power as the modern WRC cars, but from what I've read their (WRC cars) stage times are meant to be faster..

..now if I could just find numbers to back that up..
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Re: Finnish Rally. How do modern rally cars stack up ?
« Reply #3 on: 07 August 2013, 23:51:51 »
Quote from: aaronjb on 07 August 2013, 23:23:13
The old Group B cars had (over) twice as much power as the modern WRC cars, but from what I've read their (WRC cars) stage times are meant to be faster..

..now if I could just find numbers to back that up..


Yep...The 6R4 Metro of the eighties had over 400 BHP.......The Audi Quattro and Lancia  far more.
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Re: Finnish Rally. How do modern rally cars stack up ?
« Reply #4 on: 07 August 2013, 23:53:46 »
Quote from: aaronjb on 07 August 2013, 23:23:13
The old Group B cars had (over) twice as much power as the modern WRC cars, but from what I've read their (WRC cars) stage times are meant to be faster..

..now if I could just find numbers to back that up..


I'm not sure about that, Aaron.......but if true it would make interesting reading. :y
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« Reply #5 on: 07 August 2013, 23:59:18 »
Quote from: Mr. Opti on 07 August 2013, 23:51:51
Quote from: aaronjb on 07 August 2013, 23:23:13
The old Group B cars had (over) twice as much power as the modern WRC cars, but from what I've read their (WRC cars) stage times are meant to be faster..

..now if I could just find numbers to back that up..


Yep...The 6R4 Metro of the eighties had over 400 BHP.......The Audi Quattro and Lancia  far more.

And the Skoda Estelle didnt  :(
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« Reply #6 on: 08 August 2013, 00:06:07 »
Modern tyres/suspension/brakes etc. will have more than made up for the loss of bhp I would imagine. I would still prefer to see a Chevette HS or similar completely sideways,being steered on the throttle at 80mph though.
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Re: Finnish Rally. How do modern rally cars stack up ?
« Reply #7 on: 08 August 2013, 10:19:43 »
Quote from: Albitz on 08 August 2013, 00:06:07
Modern tyres/suspension/brakes etc. will have more than made up for the loss of bhp I would imagine. I would still prefer to see a Chevette HS or similar completely sideways,being steered on the throttle at 80mph though.

The late great Henri Toivonen perhaps? I still get goose bumps remembering his driving skill. On one RAC rally in the early 80's, he was the only lead driver that didn't lift on Wykeham 2 in dense fog. Respect.
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« Reply #8 on: 08 August 2013, 11:50:17 »
He was a hugely gifted driver,although I well remember him letting slip on camera that he had a problem with his pace notes on the RAC,when pace notes were banned,so that may have partly explained why he was so much quicker than everyone else. ;)
Favourite Chevette driver was probably Tony Pond.Blindingly fast and fearless. :y
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« Reply #9 on: 08 August 2013, 11:58:34 »
You remind me that I often see a bog standard but absolutely mint condition Shoveit being driven around here - it always makes me think of this place, and specifically those of you with a hankering for the past ;)
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« Reply #10 on: 08 August 2013, 12:35:25 »
Quote from: aaronjb on 08 August 2013, 11:58:34
You remind me that I often see a bog standard but absolutely mint condition Shoveit being driven around here - it always makes me think of this place, and specifically those of you with a hankering for the past ;)[/highlight]

That's most of us  sad old bastards here at OOF. ;)
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« Reply #11 on: 08 August 2013, 13:05:55 »
Cant beat a bit of nostalgia Aaron. ;D
This my honeymoon video. ::) ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ6HrwIlzXQ
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Re: Finnish Rally. How do modern rally cars stack up ?
« Reply #12 on: 08 August 2013, 13:48:54 »
Excellent, I enjoyed that a lot. Brought back memories. But what a long long time ago....
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« Reply #13 on: 08 August 2013, 14:01:21 »
Quote from: Varche on 08 August 2013, 13:48:54
Excellent, I enjoyed that a lot. Brought back memories. But what a long long time ago....

Yep.I was young,naive,had hair (lots of it) all my own teeth,and money to waste.And waste it I certainly did. ;D
Wife still isn't sure if the Manx rally taking place during our honeymoon was a coincidence or whether I planned it that way. ::) :-X :-X ;D
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« Reply #14 on: 08 August 2013, 14:07:59 »
Yep enjoyed that too and the old Chevy done well

Brings back memories when me girlfriend had a chevette that i use to thrash when she wasnt in it  ;D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icouDJ7Zo3E  :-*
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