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[Rods2]

and retire to a safe distance with a big tub of popcorn while motorists and cyclists discuss. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23694438

[Varche]

all part and parcel of the intolerant society we have today. Lord of the Flies stuff.

[SandBoy]

Good read.....so cycle tax is just round the corner?
As should be cycle insurance

[Kevin Wood]

So, should the cars who pay no exise duty be punted into the gutter by arrogant drivers along with the cyclists?




.. of course  .. They are probably driving a slow, diseasel powered toilet cubicle on wheels.

[Gaffers]

 

[bigegg]

Good read.....so cycle tax is just round the corner?
As should be cycle insurance

I used to have third party liability insurance for cycling - but that was part of my membership of the mountain bike club 

my favourite quote from the above article:

Most thought it was a tax to pay for potholes.

If that's the case, I'd've thought we have enough now, and the tax could be cut... 

[SandBoy]

my favourite quote from the above article:

Most thought it was a tax to pay for potholes.

If that's the case, I'd've thought we have enough now, and the tax could be cut... 
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[Gaffers]

Good read.....so cycle tax is just round the corner?
As should be cycle insurance

I like many cyclists, esp in London, are insured on 2 wheels.  Plus I pay tax on the bike ??  Yup, let me explain.....

I paid VAT on the bike itself (or someone did as I got the frame second-hand), the carbon wheels, the spares, the labour to get it fixed and serviced, not to mention the food needed to fuel it on my 60+ mile rides (I went through £20 in bars and gels on my last 100 miler). 

Compared to the VAT you pay on fuel, servicing, etc on a car I would not be sure that even a high mileage rider like me pays less tax PER MILE than cars do.

It would certainly be interesting to work it out.  (I have done some guesswork and it works out nearly even)

[Broomies Mate]

Good read.....so cycle tax is just round the corner?
As should be cycle insurance

I like many cyclists, esp in London, are insured on 2 wheels.  Plus I pay tax on the bike ??  Yup, let me explain.....

I paid VAT on the bike itself (or someone did as I got the frame second-hand), the carbon wheels, the spares, the labour to get it fixed and serviced, not to mention the food needed to fuel it on my 60+ mile rides (I went through £20 in bars and gels on my last 100 miler). 

Compared to the VAT you pay on fuel, servicing, etc on a car I would not be sure that even a high mileage rider like me pays less tax PER MILE than cars do.

It would certainly be interesting to work it out.  (I have done some guesswork and it works out nearly even)

Completely pathetic argument IMO.  I shove a breakfast roll in my fat gob every morning, do I get a RFL reduction because of that? 

[Gaffers]

Good read.....so cycle tax is just round the corner?
As should be cycle insurance

I like many cyclists, esp in London, are insured on 2 wheels.  Plus I pay tax on the bike ??  Yup, let me explain.....

I paid VAT on the bike itself (or someone did as I got the frame second-hand), the carbon wheels, the spares, the labour to get it fixed and serviced, not to mention the food needed to fuel it on my 60+ mile rides (I went through £20 in bars and gels on my last 100 miler). 

Compared to the VAT you pay on fuel, servicing, etc on a car I would not be sure that even a high mileage rider like me pays less tax PER MILE than cars do.

It would certainly be interesting to work it out.  (I have done some guesswork and it works out nearly even)

Completely pathetic argument IMO.  I shove a breakfast roll in my fat gob every morning, do I get a RFL reduction because of that?

Actually the extra food I have to eat is actually a small amount of the VAT I pay per year, the rest is quite considerable in comparison.  Not a pathetic argument at all as both (very rough I admit) calcs come out at about 15p per mile for cyclists and about 18p for motorists

However the amount for motorists will vary a lot depending on how much your insurance is and your annual mileage, I have based it on the missus doing 10k/year in a £15k new car she will keep for 3 years.  The bike was based on a £500 bike kept for 3 years doing about 2k/year.

As all tax goes in to the government coffers from which the road budget is funded, the argument that cyclists don't pay their fair share is pretty null and void when you consider the very little wear and tear cycles generate on the roads compared to motor vehicles then paying the same amount of TAX.

If your roll is cold then you don't pay VAT on it at all so no argument for an VED reduction

[Sir Tigger KC]

Ha! now where did I put that popcorn!!! 

[Rods2]

Good read.....so cycle tax is just round the corner?
As should be cycle insurance

I like many cyclists, esp in London, are insured on 2 wheels.  Plus I pay tax on the bike ??  Yup, let me explain.....

I paid VAT on the bike itself (or someone did as I got the frame second-hand), the carbon wheels, the spares, the labour to get it fixed and serviced, not to mention the food needed to fuel it on my 60+ mile rides (I went through £20 in bars and gels on my last 100 miler). 

Compared to the VAT you pay on fuel, servicing, etc on a car I would not be sure that even a high mileage rider like me pays less tax PER MILE than cars do.

It would certainly be interesting to work it out.  (I have done some guesswork and it works out nearly even)

Completely pathetic argument IMO.  I shove a breakfast roll in my fat gob every morning, do I get a RFL reduction because of that?

Actually the extra food I have to eat is actually a small amount of the VAT I pay per year, the rest is quite considerable in comparison.  Not a pathetic argument at all as both (very rough I admit) calcs come out at about 15p per mile for cyclists and about 18p for motorists

However the amount for motorists will vary a lot depending on how much your insurance is and your annual mileage, I have based it on the missus doing 10k/year in a £15k new car she will keep for 3 years.  The bike was based on a £500 bike kept for 3 years doing about 2k/year.

As all tax goes in to the government coffers from which the road budget is funded, the argument that cyclists don't pay their fair share is pretty null and void when you consider the very little wear and tear cycles generate on the roads compared to motor vehicles then paying the same amount of TAX.

If your roll is cold then you don't pay VAT on it at all so no argument for an VED reduction

Most foods are VAT free if you prepare them yourself, along with your bike service manual as that is a VAT free book.

However the meal at the Greasy Spoon cafe and your energy bars will have VAT on them.

At the end of the day Motor Vehicles are taxed and Bicycles aren't and as a cheap form of personal transport with minor wear to our roads thats how it should be. By far the cheapest taxed transport in relation to the damage they do to our roads are lorries.

Car ownership only rapidly increased in the 1960's before then, the average working man cycled to and from work and we are going a full circle with about 25% of journeys in London's rush hour roads are now on bicycles.

As a cyclist, motorcyclist and car driver I try to be courteous to all road users and my arms do work for signalling when on my bike, like the indicators on my motorbike and car and with all three I stop for red lights.

[Kevin Wood]

Actually the extra food I have to eat is actually a small amount of the VAT I pay per year, the rest is quite considerable in comparison.  Not a pathetic argument at all as both (very rough I admit) calcs come out at about 15p per mile for cyclists and about 18p for motorists

However the amount for motorists will vary a lot depending on how much your insurance is and your annual mileage, I have based it on the missus doing 10k/year in a £15k new car she will keep for 3 years.  The bike was based on a £500 bike kept for 3 years doing about 2k/year.

As all tax goes in to the government coffers from which the road budget is funded, the argument that cyclists don't pay their fair share is pretty null and void when you consider the very little wear and tear cycles generate on the roads compared to motor vehicles then paying the same amount of TAX.

If your roll is cold then you don't pay VAT on it at all so no argument for an VED reduction

Technically, vehicle VED is based on emissions, so perhaps we should be considering the emissions in g/km of greenhouse gases while you are on the road.. Hmm. Or maybe we'll leave that there.

[05omegav6]

Ah yes... Fuelled by real ale

[symes]

had a cyclist earlier--wearing dark clothes no lights--went flying up the curb onto pavement-screw him-retard---no doubt thought I was racist though eh---there I was going round a corner cars parked on my side-couldn't see the *****
Serves him right-When I ride my bike-I got lights+helmet and Hi-viz on---and it would be all my fault if stazzipolice turned up as a fully insured,middle aged.9+yrs ncb person