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[Rods2]

In 2007 climate change scientists as reported by the BBC was that by the summer of 2013 that their computer models showed that all of the Arctic ice would have melted for the first time in 1.6 million years.

So how close were they? 

Well the amount of ice has certainly changed from 2012 which had a warmer than average Arctic summer, with more ice melting than normal. But this year it has been much colder with almost 1 million square miles more ice and the Northwest Passage totally blocked with pack ice all summer. 

Independent climatologists with their computer modelling are claiming that we are at the start of at least a 15 year cold period like we had from 1960 to 1975, when there was talk of another ice age. In all since the last very cold period that ended in 1880, global temperatures have risen by just 0.8degC.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html

I am looking forward to the next major IPCC report in October to see how much they acknowledge that the climate has got it all wrong where it is not following their computer modelling. 

This is not to say I'm burying my head in the sand over the pending energy crisis, where we are beggining to see demand outstipping supply for oil and gas. Yes, we need to do something about this and the answer is not expensive, unreliable windmills but cheap Thorium nuclear power. What many countries are working on at the moment is being able to mass produce these at much lower prices than the current nuclear power stations where each nuclear power station is essentially an individual bespoke design. There are enough proven Thorium reserves to provide all of the world's power needs for the next 1000 years. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

You will certainly be on old Nick's christmas card list this year, Mr Rods.

[dbdb]

"The volume of sea ice in the Arctic hit a new low this past winter, according to observations from the European Space Agency's (Esa) Cryosat mission."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23964372

[05omegav6]

"The volume of sea ice in the Arctic hit a new low this past winter, according to observations from the European Space Agency's (Esa) Cryosat mission."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23964372

Which is precisely what Rods third paragraph says

Better fix the thermostat and heater matrix before November if I want to stay warm...

[TheBoy]

I saw on the news this morning that the wolly mamouth became extinct due to global warming.

Those pesky cavemen with their bloody Landrovers.....

[biggriffin]

I saw on the news this morning that the wolly mamouth became extinct due to global warming.

Those pesky cavemen with their bloody Landrovers.....

+1
 must have been using real leaded petrol in them.

[dbdb]

"The volume of sea ice in the Arctic hit a new low this past winter, according to observations from the European Space Agency's (Esa) Cryosat mission."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23964372

Which is precisely what Rods third paragraph says

gets out highlighter pen...

Well the amount of ice has certainly changed from 2012 which had a warmer than average Arctic summer, with more ice melting than normal. But this year it has been much colder with almost 1 million square miles more ice and the Northwest Passage totally blocked with pack ice all summer. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

The Polar Bears will be pleased! 

[MR MISTER]

Who gives a toss? It's completely out of our (ordinary folk) hands. Governments will decide what's best according to their own political agenda and, of course, for tax-raising. Until we find a new source of power, which has to be cheap and plentiful, they will tinker with all sorts of madcap ideas. Men in Brussels are, at this very moment, plotting how to screw you in order to save you from yourself.

[TheBoy]

And all these stupid, pathetic windmills are killing off the Golden Eagles now, so they have just discovered.

No shit, Sherlock. I'm just the stupid kid from the local comprehensive, but even I could see that coming....

[dbdb]

It seems that windows kill up to 100,000 times more birds than wind turbines. http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/wind-turbine-kill-birds.htm

About 1,000 wind turbines output the same as 1 Fukushima, seems like a good deal to me.

[TheBoy]

It seems that windows kill up to 100,000 times more birds than wind turbines. http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/wind-turbine-kill-birds.htm

About 1,000 wind turbines output the same as 1 Fukushima, seems like a good deal to me.

1 Fukushima is far better than 10,000,000 pouncy windmills.

[Nickbat]

It seems that windows kill up to 100,000 times more birds than wind turbines. http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/wind-turbine-kill-birds.htm

About 1,000 wind turbines output the same as 1 Fukushima, seems like a good deal to me.

False statistic. There are billions more windows than wind turbines.

[05omegav6]

The past winter was 2012 and aboot the only detail not highlighted

While were at it Nickbat, it isn't a false statistic, it just doesn't help the argument

I would have credited eagles with being brighter than that though

[Nickbat]

The past winter was 2012 and aboot the only detail not highlighted

While were at it Nickbat, it isn't a false statistic, it just doesn't help the argument

I would have credited eagles with being brighter than that though

I meant false comparison (not like-for-like). My bad.