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[Andy H]

You can't blame vx for your pyro antics btw

I wasn't, accidents happen. *BUT* its one of the important things that kept me with Vauxhall longer than I would have done.

Ahh, now I understand.

Tech2 is still a useful tool (if you don't let the smoke out)........

[TheBoy]

With TC slowly disappearing (or certainly for enthusiasts), and now the lack of full diagnostics equipment, I'm not sure I would.

Which brings us to the age old dilema, what?

Brands like Merc, BMW, Audi and possibly VW are out on principle, and Ford are out on safety grounds.

I'm not yet old enough for a Jag

 I could be tempted by the Maserati Quattroporte. Dare to be different, Mr Admin man.

I think I'd prefer non-descript eurotrash that something that pig ugly .

Currently, reliability is very important to me.

[RossPhim]

Now't wrong with the modern Ford dude.   

I'm on my 3rd Mondeo since getting rid of the barge.
Presently got a Mk4 2.2TDCi Titanium X-Sport. Loads of toys. Quick when you want it to be, £170 a year to tax, and between 40 & 50 mpg.   
Best of all worlds if you ask me!   

I still stick around here for the craik though!   

[TheBoy]

Now't wrong with the modern Ford dude.   

Yeah, there is, I'm incompatible with them. I tell the car to do something, it hits the nearest immovable object instead. So I try to avoid driving them.

No different to my Mum, who has issues with blue cars

[I_want_an_Omega]

With TC slowly disappearing (or certainly for enthusiasts), and now the lack of full diagnostics equipment, I'm not sure I would.

Which brings us to the age old dilema, what?

Brands like Merc, BMW, Audi and possibly VW are out on principle, and Ford are out on safety grounds.

I'm not yet old enough for a Jag

Pray expand on that one please 

I crash them. Self preservation instincts means a Ford will not be on my list of replacement cars.

er, ok. Not sure I see the logic there ......... Mk4 Mondeo for me

[TheBoy]

With TC slowly disappearing (or certainly for enthusiasts), and now the lack of full diagnostics equipment, I'm not sure I would.

Which brings us to the age old dilema, what?

Brands like Merc, BMW, Audi and possibly VW are out on principle, and Ford are out on safety grounds.

I'm not yet old enough for a Jag

Pray expand on that one please 

I crash them. Self preservation instincts means a Ford will not be on my list of replacement cars.

er, ok. Not sure I see the logic there ......... Mk4 Mondeo for me

I've found, as I get older, recovery takes longer  . I'm still not fit (or at least as fit as I was before ) following that serious smash I had 18 months ago. Thus, I actively try to avoid Fords, as I know I crash them.  Whether or not that worry of crashing them causes me to crash them, who knows. But it happens.

Take my last foreign holiday, hire car was a Focus. I was ever so pleased I nearly got through the entire holiday with no jousting marks, then, bugger me, the morning we had to drive back to the airport, a bloody great mark on rear quarter . The year before was another Focus, that was a clean sheet, but the year before that, another friggin Focus, and oppsie daisy


Shame, as I quite like the Mk4 Mundano. But I'm sure I couldn't live with one.

[chrisgixer]

Hatch back?
Saloon?
Estate?

[TheBoy]

Hatch back?
Saloon?
Estate?

Given a choice, I'd prefer a 4 door saloon.

That said, since the demise of the Rover, we have suffered not having a load carrier.

Don't think I could live with an estate though.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

With TC slowly disappearing (or certainly for enthusiasts), and now the lack of full diagnostics equipment, I'm not sure I would.

Which brings us to the age old dilema, what?

Brands like Merc, BMW, Audi and possibly VW are out on principle, and Ford are out on safety grounds.

I'm not yet old enough for a Jag

 I could be tempted by the Maserati Quattroporte. Dare to be different, Mr Admin man.

I think I'd prefer non-descript eurotrash that something that pig ugly .

Currently, reliability is very important to me.

The new one is gorgeous.

[I_want_an_Omega]

With TC slowly disappearing (or certainly for enthusiasts), and now the lack of full diagnostics equipment, I'm not sure I would.

Which brings us to the age old dilema, what?

Brands like Merc, BMW, Audi and possibly VW are out on principle, and Ford are out on safety grounds.

I'm not yet old enough for a Jag

Pray expand on that one please 

I crash them. Self preservation instincts means a Ford will not be on my list of replacement cars.

er, ok. Not sure I see the logic there ......... Mk4 Mondeo for me

I've found, as I get older, recovery takes longer  . I'm still not fit (or at least as fit as I was before ) following that serious smash I had 18 months ago. Thus, I actively try to avoid Fords, as I know I crash them.  Whether or not that worry of crashing them causes me to crash them, who knows. But it happens.

Take my last foreign holiday, hire car was a Focus. I was ever so pleased I nearly got through the entire holiday with no jousting marks, then, bugger me, the morning we had to drive back to the airport, a bloody great mark on rear quarter . The year before was another Focus, that was a clean sheet, but the year before that, another friggin Focus, and oppsie daisy


Shame, as I quite like the Mk4 Mundano. But I'm sure I couldn't live with one.

I know that you don't like the Focus, but the Mk4 Mondy is excellent to drive. The seats are superb (well, the sports one are) and very supportive - with many having variable cooling as well as heating. I thought this was a bit of a gimmick until this summer. A whole range of engines - my fave being the 2.5T Volvo unit - although it was phased out in 2010. If you come over to the dark side then you will see 50+ mpg without even trying and get masses of torque. I'd certainly get another - but probably an auto this time. All IMHO .....

[chrisgixer]

Hatch back?
Saloon?
Estate?

Given a choice, I'd prefer a 4 door saloon.

That said, since the demise of the Rover, we have suffered not having a load carrier.

Don't think I could live with an estate though.

Some of the newer estates are pretty awesome IMO.

Sticking with rwd?

[TheBoy]

I know that you don't like the Focus, but the Mk4 Mondy is excellent to drive. The seats are superb (well, the sports one are) and very supportive - with many having variable cooling as well as heating. I thought this was a bit of a gimmick until this summer. A whole range of engines - my fave being the 2.5T Volvo unit - although it was phased out in 2010. If you come over to the dark side then you will see 50+ mpg without even trying and get masses of torque. I'd certainly get another - but probably an auto this time. All IMHO .....

I quite enjoyed blatting my mate's Mk4 TDCi around the lanes a couple of years ago, demostrating that a diesel can embarrass other drivers. But I don't think I could live with one day to day, the handling isn't predictable enough for me.

Another very good friend of mine has one of the new ones (another diesel, what is it with people ), but he rightly won't let me have a go, as he knows my Ford experiences only too well

[TheBoy]

Some of the newer estates are pretty awesome IMO.

Sticking with rwd?

Really not sure I could live with any estate. I think, ultimately, I'd always shy away from any estate (but then I said that about hatchbacks, and have lived with plenty of them).

RWD isn't the be-al and end-all for me. FWD is fine, as loong as it handles, and isn't so rock hard that my spine breaks. RWD, based on a less compromised ride, is the preference, but limits choice too much, given that I don't want a German idiot marque, or a Toyota.

[chrisgixer]

..or a Lexus ? You listen to the Dtm too much

[chrisgixer]

The only other Vauxhall thats not a Holden, that interests me, is the new Astra vxr since they fixed the torque steer.

But guessing too new?