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[MR MISTER]

Not surprising, of course, what with t'internet and the like. Closing a couple of distribution centres apparently.
In the pipeline is an app and online videos of a complete stripdown. Good luck with that, there's eff all to strip on a modern car, it's all electronics.

[albitz]

"Undo retaining screws to - insert electronic component of your  choice - and replace with a new item", doesn't really cut it anymore.
The automotive world has,for the most part,passed Haynes by. In the 70,s the exploded diagrams of every single part - engine,gearbox,diff,carb etc. were superb,but as you say,cars aint like that anymore. Even the parts which are largely the same,they just use a few photos to explain these days,which are nowhere near as useful imo.

[TheBoy]

I think that car mechanics has drifted away from DIY/Hobbyist, much more to getting garages to do it. Not sure if thats by necessity, or the way society has gone?

[MR MISTER]

I think that car mechanics has drifted away from DIY/Hobbyist, much more to getting garages to do it. Not sure if thats by necessity, or the way society has gone?

An old motor engineer, with 40 years in the trade, recently closed his workshop here. He made the local rag. Couldn't/wouldn't do computers and couldn't get by without.

[cem_devecioglu]

I think that car mechanics has drifted away from DIY/Hobbyist, much more to getting garages to do it. Not sure if thats by necessity, or the way society has gone?

An old motor engineer, with 40 years in the trade, recently closed his workshop here. He made the local rag. Couldn't/wouldn't do computers and couldn't get by without.

no surprise.. keeping the garage equipment and other materials necessary for different models of same car even costs serious money..

and embedded electronic systems with varying software , hardware become very complicated..  those people must spend serious time and money for training

[Kevin Wood]

Good luck with that, there's eff all to strip on a modern car, it's all electronics.

Most of that's perception, rather than reality, IMHO, but I guess that's little consolation. They could have done a better job of moving with the times, though. I've never seen the use of a code reader or a paperclip mentioned in their manuals, yet that still have pages on changing the big ends which last 250k without issues on a modern engine.

It's odd these days. Those with new cars seem more than happy to go to the stealers and get shafted. Those with 2nd hand cars moan that a service is "more than the car's worth" and drive unmaintained deathtraps until they go no more, then buy another. Gone is the keen amateur who'll have a go himself, apart from little circles like ours.

[albitz]

Very true.It used to be a great british tradition to work on your own car.Many driveways up and down the country had a mans head under an open bonnet on any dry sunday. These days most people put fuel in the tank and pay the local  eastern Europeans a few quid to wash it while they are in Tescos.

[MR MISTER]

Very true.It used to be a great british tradition to work on your own car.Many driveways up and down the country had a mans head under an open bonnet on any dry sunday. These days most people put fuel in the tank and pay the local  eastern Europeans a few quid to wash it while they are in Tescos.

Progress.

[albitz]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a Sunday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

[Kevin Wood]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a unday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

Yep. No time for the blue jobs now we've inherited all these pink jobs.

[MR MISTER]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a unday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

Yep. No time for the blue jobs now we've inherited all these pink jobs.

Pardon?

[Vamps]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a Sunday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

And cleaning and washing and ironing while swmbo and Miss Vamps go to the caravan (Static).......

[MR MISTER]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a Sunday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

And cleaning and washing and ironing while swmbo and Miss Vamps go to the caravan (Static).......

You have to keep saying 'static' don't you' Mike. Just in case we think you're a pikey like.

[Vamps]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a Sunday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

And cleaning and washing and ironing while swmbo and Miss Vamps go to the caravan (Static).......

You have to keep saying 'static' don't you' Mike. Just in case we think you're a pikey like.

Oh Yes.......

[albitz]

Vamps. YOUR A PIKEY.